bass5 Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 (edited) Not to bring up old wounds but the CW I remember from back in that era is that there were an over age person or two in some corps that had forged birth certificates to con their way in (unbeknownst to the staff and admin of the corps they were in) but Hawthorne had as many as 10 to 20 over age members that the staff and administration knew about and accepted (and some were way over 22 years old). I've always thought that a good comparison would've been if SCV and Madison were able to march their best over age members from 72, 73 and 74 then the playing field would have been even. This discussion is not unlike Mark McQuire saying everyone was taking PED's in his era so his records should stand - in his mind he probably believes it but everyone who played by the rules sees it completely different. Edited January 18, 2010 by bass5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob984 Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 That is the exact story I got from both Don Pesceone and Bob Briske. Neither one even looked at the sheets. The previous weekend, the corps was fourth at the finals of the World Open. Consider the scores from that contest: Blue Devils 91.05, SCV 89.05, 27th Lancers 87.40, Muchachos 86.50. They would have had to make up just over 4.5 points to have won prelims from Worlds, a rumor that refuses to die, and they would have had to do it in six days. Hi Mike, However, just 2 days after World Open (and the last show before prelims), was CYO nationals, where the Muchachos finished 2nd, and now 1.7 down to eventual champion Madison, and beating Blue Devils, Vanguard, and 27th. That was certainly possible to overcome back in those days. I know that the "official word" was that sheets and tapes were destroyed. This is contrary to a rumor that I heard that the tabulator had ran the numbers before the "destroy" order came and a few people also supposedly saw the tabbed score. Not sure if I believe that one. Has anyone ever questioned the tabulator? What I DO find strange though, is this. Every judge has a tote, which they record every number for every corps. They couldn't destroy their totes because they were needed to verify all other numbers, and they would have placed a number down on their tote before turning in their sheets. I guarantee you that most, if not every judge who did that show knows the number they gave Hawthorne, and their placement in their caption. I believe they were "sworn to secrecy", and they sure did that well. I don't know if all of those judges are alive, but it would be interesting to know if they knew what they gave, and especially if you had them all and could simply add them. My guess is we will never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCIHasBeen Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 (edited) Please, Doug.... if people still want to talk about the 1976 Carter-Ford presidential election campaign, then they should be allowed to do so. Fran Guy Who Wished Ford Had Won Newton Minnow was wrong ... TV isn't the vast wasteland, not compared to DCP during off season, at least. Guy who voted for Carter (as a first-time voter.) P.S.: When you guys want to debate the wisdom of Spiro Agnew's resignation, give me a ... no wait, #### it. That's not worth it either. Edited January 19, 2010 by DCIHasBeen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Newton Minnow was wrong ... TV isn't the vast wasteland, not compared to DCP during off season, at least. Man what's worse "Mr Ed", "My Favorite Martian" or DCP during the off season. Guy who voted for Carter (as a first-time voter.)P.S.: When you guys want to debate the wisdom of Spiro Agnew's resignation, give me a ... no wait, #### it. That's not worth it either. Eh we evened out as my first vote went to Ford. Lived near the MD border and got to see a lot of Spiro pontificating on the Baltimore stations. Especially when the tax man was going after his butt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vferrera Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 The corps that I am referring to has been in the finals since...hmmm...75. INT? They're almost all overage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Haring Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Guy who voted for Carter (as a first-time voter.) Heh...my first vote went to Ford. So you suck. Fran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCIHasBeen Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Man what's worse "Mr Ed", "My Favorite Martian" or DCP during the off season. Eh we evened out as my first vote went to Ford. Lived near the MD border and got to see a lot of Spiro pontificating on the Baltimore stations. Especially when the tax man was going after his butt. I'd take "Mr. Ed" or "My Favorite Martian" any day ... You're invoking the classics there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCIHasBeen Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 So you suck. Fran Yeah, but you've known that since '78 ... So nothing new there either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 So you suck. Fran Only when I tried to march..... Thanks goodness for standstills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommytimp Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Heh...my first vote went to Ford.So you suck. Fran So did Ford. AND the guy he pardoned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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