2008 Standings

[BOSMarcher]

DCI has them listed as exhibition only.They have been that way all year.I am guessing it has something to do with not meeting the 35 rule.

http://www.dci.org/scores/

Haha... well then wouldn't that kick them out of Prelims? No, I am quite sure they are meeting the minimum.... and then some. I feel like these questions have been answered before. Was anyone at the show?

[Dale Bari]

01 (01) - 88.863 (3) - Buccaneers

02 (02) - 86.513 (4) - Hurricanes

03 (03) - 85.538 (4) - Caballeros

04 (05) - 85.350 (2) - Minnesota Brass

05 (04) - 84.850 (4) - Empire Statesmen

06 (06) - 83.275 (3) - Brigadiers

07 (07) - 82.030 (3) - Bushwackers

08 (09) - 80.325 (2) - Kilties

09 (08) - 80.250 (6) - Renegades

10 (11) - 77.250 (1) - CorpsVets

11 (10) - 76.450 (4) - Crusaders

12 (13) - 74.313 (2) - Chops, Inc

13 (14) - 73.525 (2) - Govenaires

14 (12) - 73.363 (6) - Dream

15 (15) - 72.200 (3) - White Sabers

16 (16) - 69.475 (4) - Fusion Core

17 (17) - 69.400 (3) - Carolina Gold

18 (19) - 68.525 (7) - Grenadiers

19 (18) - 67.050 (1) - Music City Legend

20 (20) - 65.250 (5) - Gulf Coast Sound

21 (21) - 64.688 (2) - Lakeshoremen

22 (22) - 62.288 (8) - Sun Devils

23 (23) - 59.425 (3) - Shenandoah Sound

24 (24) - 59.375 (5) - Frontier

Bolded: Hmmm..... That's very interesting. Although, given how low MCL's score is (lower than they got at Manassas Park, 3 weeks earlier) I'm not sure how solid the 'Bama DCI scores for DCA corps are. However, until everyone goes head-to-head, this is the best info we've got.

As I predicted (not that it was a huge task, or anything) the race for second is tight, with 6 corps in a 4.5 range. Kilties are a nice surprise, with 2 scores this weekend solidly in the high-70's-to-80 range.

Most curious is White Sabers' 6 point jump in one week. So: Was Endicott too low? Was Chambersburg too high? Or did they suddenly kick it in gear? In any case, good job, Dansville crew.

Overall, lots of interesting aspects to this year's DCA race. As others have noted, the Renegades & Minnesota always keep the pot bubbling because they don't come up against the other powers until Prelims. (esp 'Gades, since they are otherwise done with their comps.) With so many A corps in various regions, they have little idea of how they actually stand either.

The old-timers may have a different opinion, but it seems to me this an awful lot like the early 70's junior corps, where the regional contests kept everyone in the dark about how Nats were going to look until everyone actually met (whether VFW/AL or early DCI). That is, until national touring brought all of them together most of the time, or at least very regularly. Even so, DCI isn't always easy to figure out. And, other than one corps here, most everyone else is probably within at least a couple of spots to their final placements, but nothing is very clear yet.

[Scerpella]

After a great weekend of competition which included going head to head with MBI, Chops and Govies, we find ourselves in relatively unfamiliar territory which is within 5 points of corps who we have had problems staying within 15 points in years past. This was DCA slate of judges including two from the East.

We remain committed to keeping this year interesting.

Edited July 28, 2008 by Scerpella

[melligene]

It would sure be sweet to see the Kilties in the night show. Always a crowd favorite.

[CallipygianKing]

What ever happened with Derby City Knights?

I thought that they were scheduled to compete this weekend. DCA doesn't have them on the scorecards.

After seeing them while we were at the gate this weekend, I'd say it's definitely the 35+ rule that pushed them into exhibition. They were fairly small and performed a standstill, but I really wasn't in a position to pay much attention to and enjoy their show. But they were all smiles after their performance in Cudahy, as well they should have been as charter members taking the field for the first time with their corps.

I'll take a random guess and say that they have a contingent of members that are still planning on joining up for Rochester but just couldn't make it to Wisconsin. Congrats to DCK on getting the corps on the field for the inaugural shows, though! It's a big, big step.

Edited July 28, 2008 by CallipygianKing

[Sal Rosenburg]

Is it just me, or are DCA judges the best on the planet? Because I don't think any other corps, including DCI who go head to head each night, jump 1.5 points overnight (MBI) . What is the reasoning behind this? To boost averages or to keep them in the hunt after hearing Saturday night's scores?

[CallipygianKing]

Once again, those pesky Class A corps have been put in their place. The DCA season is getting into full swing now, and we should see less of corps just jumping around in the rankings now that shows will be a bit more regular. Exciting, exciting, exciting!

Scores have been updated here and on the original post. I know the penalty for Chops was for timing... What about the other big one that Sound got?

Full Standings

1- 88.863 Buccaneers (Chambersburg, PA 7/26)

2- 86.513 Hurricanes (Lawrence, MA 7/26)

3- 85.538 Caballeros (Lawrence, MA 7/26)

4- 85.350 Minnesota Brass (Racine, WI 7/27)

5- 84.850 Empire Statesmen (Lawrence, MA 7/26)

6- 83.275 Brigadiers (Chambersburg, PA 7/26)

7- 82.030 (0.2) Bushwackers (Chambersburg, PA 7/26)

8- 80.325 Kilties (Racine, WI 7/27)

9- 80.250 Renegades (Freemont, CA DCI 7/20)

10- 77.250 CorpsVets (Jacksonville, AL DCI 7/26)

--Open Class Finalists Cut-Off--

11- 76.450 Crusaders (Lawrence, MA 7/26)

12- 74.313 (1.0) Chops, Inc. (Racine, WI 7/27)

13- 73.525 Govenaires (Racine, WI 7/27)

14- 73.363 SoCal Dream (Freemont, CA DCI 7/20)

15- 72.200 White Sabers (Chambersburg, PA 7/26)

16- 69.475 Fusion Core (Lawrence, MA 7/26)

17- 69.400 Carolina Gold (Chambersburg, PA 7/26)

18- 68.525 (0.6) Grenadiers (Endicott, NY 7/19)

19- 67.050 Music City Legend (Jacksonville, AL DCI 7/26)

20- 65.250 Gulf Coast Sound (Houston, TX 7/26)

21- 64.688 Lakeshoremen (Racine, WI 7/27)

22- 62.288 Sun Devils (Manassas, VA 7/5)

23- 59.425 (1.4) Shenandoah Sound (Chambersburg, PA 7/26)

24- 59.375 Frontier (Houston, TX 7/26)

Declared Class A

12- 74.313 (1.0) Chops, Inc. (Racine, WI 7/27)

13- 73.525 Govenaires (Racine, WI 7/27)

14- 73.363 SoCal Dream (Freemont, CA DCI 7/20)

15- 72.200 White Sabers (Chambersburg, PA 7/26)

16- 69.475 Fusion Core (Lawrence, MA 7/26)

17- 69.400 Carolina Gold (Chambersburg, PA 7/26)

18- 68.525 (0.6) Grenadiers (Endicott, NY 7/19)

20- 65.250 Gulf Coast Sound (Houston, TX 7/26)

21- 64.688 Lakeshoremen (Racine, WI 7/27)

22- 62.288 Sun Devils (Manassas, VA 7/5)

23- 59.425 (1.4) Shenandoah Sound (Chambersburg, PA 7/26)

24- 59.375 Frontier (Houston, TX 7/26)

Class A

1- 74.313 (1.0) Chops, Inc. (Racine, WI 7/27)

2- 73.525 Govenaires (Racine, WI 7/27)

3- 73.363 SoCal Dream (Freemont, CA DCI 7/20)

4- 72.200 White Sabers (Chambersburg, PA 7/26)

--Class A Finalists Cut-Off--

5- 69.475 Fusion Core (Lawrence, MA 7/26)

6- 69.400 Carolina Gold (Chambersburg, PA 7/26)

7- 68.525 (0.6) Grenadiers (Endicott, NY 7/19)

8- 67.050 Music City Legend (Jacksonville, AL DCI 7/26)

9- 65.250 Gulf Coast Sound (Houston, TX 7/26)

10- 64.688 Lakeshoremen (Racine, WI 7/27)

11 62.288 Sun Devils (Manassas, VA 7/5)

12- 59.425 (1.4) Shenandoah Sound (Chambersburg, PA 7/26)

13- 59.375 Frontier (Houston, TX 7/26)

Corps in italics are declared Class A but currently placing in Open Class

[KiltieBD3]

Is it just me, or are DCA judges the best on the planet? Because I don't think any other corps, including DCI who go head to head each night, jump 1.5 points overnight (MBI) . What is the reasoning behind this? To boost averages or to keep them in the hunt after hearing Saturday night's scores?

Hard work

[CallipygianKing]

Is it just me, or are DCA judges the best on the planet? Because I don't think any other corps, including DCI who go head to head each night, jump 1.5 points overnight (MBI) . What is the reasoning behind this? To boost averages or to keep them in the hunt after hearing Saturday night's scores?

Here's my theory. Take it as you will...

The last time we Minnesota corps performed were in front of DCI judges a month ago. In fact, we haven't actually seen a DCA panel until this weekend. So, understandably, the judges are a bit unfamiliar with our show when they see us for the first time ever on Saturday. The next day, they mix things up a bit and play musical chairs with the captions they're judging, but they're more familiar with our shows. They know what to look for, and they know where to find those moments and high points to give us credit for that they may have missed out on the day before.

Unlike the NE, where shows are consistently every weekend and judges see the corps in a gradual progression and get familiar with them over a longer period of time, our shows are in small, tight bunches. The judges need to familiarize themselves with our shows the first night as well as critique them, and then the next night reevaluate them now that they're more familiar with them. And then the same thing will happen all over again three weeks from now for the Minnesota shows because we have this vast stretch of time between shows to make tweaks and improvements.

Just my two cents on the subject. I could be wrong.

[MCL_Contra]

Is it just me, or are DCA judges the best on the planet? Because I don't think any other corps, including DCI who go head to head each night, jump 1.5 points overnight (MBI) . What is the reasoning behind this? To boost averages or to keep them in the hunt after hearing Saturday night's scores?

Well don't look for DCI judges to be the best! Not exactly sure how you can have the best performance you've had all season and get tanked 30 points in brass by a judge who basically said we'd never see him at a DCA show so what did it matter. Yes......a formal complaint is in the works!