BRASSO Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 (edited) This idea of comparing football and drum corps is nothing but stupid.Football is not arbitrarily and subjectively judged to determine the outcome. You either cross the goal line or you don't. There's no gray area. How well do you think the NFL would fare if after 60 minutes of play (with no scoreboard to tally any points) the officials called the QB's onto the sideline and announced who they felt had won the game? How many people do you think would continue to pay huge sums of money for tickets only to have the team that they support, that they felt had clearly scored more points, announced as a runner up because the refs felt that even though the other team scored more points, the winners were the team that executed more perfect blocks on the offensive line? That is EXACTLY how many long-time fans feel about drum corps today. The shows that "score points" with them, that connect with them and stir up passion, that remind them of the types of shows that USED TO BE determined to be superior, are now ranked as somehow inferior by the judges. Fans are feeling as if they are being told by the judges "we know better than you" what should win. It has led to frustration. And it has caused people to stop coming to the shows, because they simply don't enjoy the outcome any more. A reply that thinks I was comparing the differences or similarities how one wins in football and how one wins in Drum Corps is a misreading of my comparison in the number and degree of CHANGES between football and Drum Corps in the last 40 years. One would only conclude that the poster believes that watching a football game on tape from ( say) 1969 and then one on tape from 2009, one would see similar small changes compared to then of watching a Drum Corps show on tape from ( say) 1969 and then on on tape from 2009, and then conclude there wasn't all that much larger changes that took place between the two of football and Drum Corps in that 40 year similar time frame. Such observation and comparison abilities would come into the realm of being " stupid ". But that's just my observation and opinion here too...... also, we are talking about changes and it's effect on audience growth numbers. These other activities did not have the depth and breadth of changes that Drum Corps did in these 40 years. When the ABA merged with the NBA, the color of the basketball for heaven's sake was made by traditionalists to switch back to the color that Dr. Naismith wanted when he invented the game before the automobile was invented. And we're talking simply the COLOR here, not a completely new " instrument "for the game to be considered for use in competition. Edited September 29, 2010 by BRASSO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bawker Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 So... I take it we're not going to get to find out any information about Cesario's judging analysis (that was mentioned several times in DCI Field Pass) or rules proposals being discussed for a January vote? Secrecy... always with the secrecy. Mike Are you really surprised, Mike? Hopefully, it means that they want to see finalized proposals and presentations in January . . .we all know what happens if you leak your PowerPoint early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeN Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Then why mention it at all? It's like the folks on here who go "I know what X corps is playing, but I'm not going to say." Grrr. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bawker Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Then why mention it at all? It's like the folks on here who go "I know what X corps is playing, but I'm not going to say." Grrr.Mike I agree. It's frustrating, but since this is the usual MO for DCI, I guess I'm just used to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BozzlyB Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Wouldn't that be a reason to market to them, so they would stop doing so, since most of drum corps members comes from university bands? Really? U sure about that? I doubt it , certainly many do but most? There are a TON of high school kids marching corps, and plenty of college age kids who are marching and not in college, or in college but not in the band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BozzlyB Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 true..but what/how to market to them? colleges will want something out of the deal...what does DCI have to offer? Exactly. IMO the reason Spirit of JSU is now just Spirit is because the University ultimately realized there WASN"T anything substantial in it for them. Drum corps don't make money, they're lucky if they're in the black at the end of the season, so that will never be a part of the incentive package, and beyond money I see very little reason for a University to want to mess around with a drum corps when they've already got a music program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOOHOO Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Really? U sure about that? I doubt it , certainly many do but most? There are a TON of high school kids marching corps, and plenty of college age kids who are marching and not in college, or in college but not in the band. That still doesn't discredit my point, even if your point is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeN Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 http://www.dci.org/about/index.cfm Showcasing the best of the best: -Each year, more than 8,000 students audition for the fewer than 3,500 positions available in top-tier DCI member corps -More than 5,000 members directly participate annually -66 percent are male -Average age is 19.4 -72 percent are full-time college students -59.6 percent of the current college students are pursuing music education degrees, while 65 percent of those that indicated they are high school students intend to major in music education Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.E. Brigand Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Not liking 26% of something you've paid a lot of money for is good? Do most people like more than 74% of the films or plays they see, or 74% of the books they read, or 74% of the songs on any but their very favorite bands' CDs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.E. Brigand Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 This idea of comparing football and drum corps is nothing but stupid. Football is not arbitrarily and subjectively judged to determine the outcome. You either cross the goal line or you don't. There's no gray area.How well do you think the NFL would fare if after 60 minutes of play (with no scoreboard to tally any points) the officials called the QB's onto the sideline and announced who they felt had won the game? How many people do you think would continue to pay huge sums of money for tickets only to have the team that they support, that they felt had clearly scored more points, announced as a runner up because the refs felt that even though the other team scored more points, the winners were the team that executed more perfect blocks on the offensive line? Hasn't drum corps always been an adjudicated competition more like figure skating than football? Weren't corps in the ticking days often being judged on tiny details that most of the audience couldn't see? This year, which is the corps that most of the fans feel clearly feel should have won? Granted it appears that a majority of the audience didn't think that should be the Blue Devils, but has there been a poll in which any other 2010 corps got even a simple majority, much less an overwhelming percentage, rather than a plurality of the first place votes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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