luvs me sum mello! Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Placing more emphesis on dot vs form has resulted in poor transitions. Corps who are teaching their students to just go to their dots and to ignore the forms are creating a lot of problems for themselves visually, and analizing their shows gives us proof. You are blind. Sorry. I feel really bad for the band you "judge" because you continue to show how very little you know about the modern activity. Transitions are better and more difficult then ever. Anyone can clean, lets say, a 16 count move at an 8 to 5 step size with the met at 160 over the course of an entire summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 (edited) Placing more emphesis on dot vs form has resulted in poor transitions. Corps who are teaching their students to just go to their dots and to ignore the forms are creating a lot of problems for themselves visually, and analizing their shows gives us proof. Exactly. And it is noticeable to the experienced eye, imo. The increased velocity, while offering many more varied formation clusters in the course of a show, have sacrificed precision and uniformity in the process af attainment of these wonderfully designed formations. There are marchers literally out of step when the velocity reaches the level of the running stage segments in portions of some of these performances.. We see this with the naked eye. This is understandable as the velocity makes uniform step movement to such formations on different spread out formations next to impossible to maintain proper step uniformity, spacing, etc. I've noticed that instructors have done a terrific job in having the marchers arrive at the formation at precisely the time and manner demanded in the visual set. But the journey there can be fraught with lack of uniformity among marchers doing the same skill set at different areas on the field. Edited January 15, 2011 by BRASSO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie1223 Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Exactly. And it is noticeable to the experienced eye, imo. The increased velocity, while offering many more varied formation clusters in the course of a show, have sacrificed precision and uniformity in the process af attainment of these wonderfully designed formations. There are marchers literally out of step when the velocity reaches the level of the running stage segments in portions of some of these performances.. We see this with the naked eye. This is understandable as the velocity makes uniform step movement to such formations on different spread out formations next to impossible to maintain proper step uniformity, spacing, etc. I've noticed that instructors have done a terrific job in having the marchers arrive at the formation at precisely the time and manner demanded in the visual set. But the journey there can be fraught with lack of uniformity among marchers doing the same skill set at different areas on the field. 2 words: sub-sets Corps use sub-sets!!! SUB-SETS! It's like having a dot every 2 steps! If instructors "do a terrific job in having marchers arrive at the formation at percisely the time and manner demanded in the visual set" then multiply that by the number of sub-sets in a performance! I think your experienced eye needs some thicker glasses... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skewerz Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 2 words...who cares. dots..forms..lines...scramble...as long as it gets done, does it really matter? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 (edited) 2 words: sub-sets Corps use sub-sets!!! SUB-SETS! It's like having a dot every 2 steps! If instructors "do a terrific job in having marchers arrive at the formation at percisely the time and manner demanded in the visual set" then multiply that by the number of sub-sets in a performance! I think your experienced eye needs some thicker glasses... I don't think the Sub- Sets need a multiplier here.( comment removed per forum guidelines - ee) A marcher "out of step" is.... out of step. Period. Sub-sets, dots, multipliers, etc or not. Edited January 15, 2011 by Eddie personal attack on forum member 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corpsband Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 2 words...who cares. dots..forms..lines...scramble...as long as it gets done, does it really matter? Apparently Howdy cares 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie1223 Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 (edited) I don't think the Sub- Sets need a multiplier here.( comment removed per forum guidelines - ee) A marcher "out of step" is.... out of step. Period. Sub-sets, dots, multipliers, etc or not. But a marcher out of step has nothing to do with the technique used to teach drill. Edited January 15, 2011 by Eddie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie1223 Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 2 words...who cares. dots..forms..lines...scramble...as long as it gets done, does it really matter? Exactly, one way isn't better than another, they are both effective techniques when taught properly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 But a marcher out of step has nothing to do with the technique used to teach drill. agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howdy Posted January 17, 2011 Author Share Posted January 17, 2011 (edited) agreed. What I see from many top 12 drumcorps is tons of interval errors, and distance errors, and cover and dress errors. Knowing where your set and subsets are is one thing, and I agree that every marcher should know every one of them by the book [ but in the real world many student don't] but what are you going to do if being in your subset , at the proper place, on your dot perfectly, makes a bad interval problem ever worse? Are you going to make adjustments , or are you just going to go to your designated subset [dot baby!] and ignore all interval and distance errors, because it is not your responsibility to adjust to them? Edited January 17, 2011 by Howdy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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