Gary Matczak Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 ok so if you can't hear the instuments then why use them in the first place? oh yeah so you could amp them. how stupid. these people wrting today ............. right on! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuokaerf10 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 ok so if you can't hear the instuments then why use them in the first place? oh yeah so you could amp them. how stupid. these people wrting today ............. Because it diversifies what instruments you can use. Why should design be hindered? It's legal instrumentation so if it enhances your show, why ask the performer to play unnaturally to make it heard? It's surprising to see people complaining about the activity shrinking and low attendance compared to other circuits. Maybe that's because DCA is far behind in allowing corps to design shows that fans want. DCA already has a bad connotation with mainstream drum corps fans as being a dinosaur circuit. As for amps "not being drum corps", should we go back to what some on this board consider what drum corps is? Rotary valve horns, symmetrical drill? Nothing wrong with that, but I guarantee you'll be playing for 10's of people and no one will join your corps. You can't take some advancements while dismissing others. Asymmetrical drill, pits, Bb horns, non-tick judging, and amps have pushed the activity forward. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donincardona Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Because it diversifies what instruments you can use. Why should design be hindered? It's legal instrumentation so if it enhances your show, why ask the performer to play unnaturally to make it heard? It's surprising to see people complaining about the activity shrinking and low attendance compared to other circuits. Maybe that's because DCA is far behind in allowing corps to design shows that fans want. DCA already has a bad connotation with mainstream drum corps fans as being a dinosaur circuit. As for amps "not being drum corps", should we go back to what some on this board consider what drum corps is? Rotary valve horns, symmetrical drill? Nothing wrong with that, but I guarantee you'll be playing for 10's of people and no one will join your corps. You can't take some advancements while dismissing others. Asymmetrical drill, pits, Bb horns, non-tick judging, and amps have pushed the activity forward. as an arranger you have to use instruments that can be heard. this is BS. period. this was just an excuse to use amps. and you can be an apologist all you want. and if you think this will bring crowds back. your wrong. DCA is in big trouble and amps isn't the answer. look drum corps was alaways different from bands. so the way it's going lets stop the sham. stop calling it drum corps and call marching entertainment. and in case you haven't been paying attention but the old guard is leaving watching the shows and the youngsters aren't replacing them. are you going to have an outfit playing to an empty stadium? and by the way Bb horns were not made to be played outside. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 (edited) It's surprising to see people complaining about the activity shrinking and low attendance compared to other circuits. Maybe that's because DCA is far behind in allowing corps to design shows that fans want. How do you or anyone else know what the fans want? And what circuits are you talking about because DCA and DCI are the only Drum Corps circuits that I know about. And both circuits have been having problems with shrinking fan base over the decades. DCA already has a bad connotation with mainstream drum corps fans as being a dinosaur circuit. Define "mainstream" please. IMO - insulting something different from what you are used to is very immature, no matter who does it. And considering the difficulties the activity has just surviving it's disgusting to insult any part trying to continue. PS - how does amping an already legal instrument (part I clipped) add to the design of a show? Edited December 16, 2012 by JimF-LowBari 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 yeah jeff. that's what is called sacrifice It is to me. DCA finals really isn't the place for a 2 year old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Because it diversifies what instruments you can use. Why should design be hindered? It's legal instrumentation so if it enhances your show, why ask the performer to play unnaturally to make it heard? It's surprising to see people complaining about the activity shrinking and low attendance compared to other circuits. Maybe that's because DCA is far behind in allowing corps to design shows that fans want. DCA already has a bad connotation with mainstream drum corps fans as being a dinosaur circuit. As for amps "not being drum corps", should we go back to what some on this board consider what drum corps is? Rotary valve horns, symmetrical drill? Nothing wrong with that, but I guarantee you'll be playing for 10's of people and no one will join your corps. You can't take some advancements while dismissing others. Asymmetrical drill, pits, Bb horns, non-tick judging, and amps have pushed the activity forward. No offense but DCI let all the toys in and they aren't setting any attendance records 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuokaerf10 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 as an arranger you have to use instruments that can be heard. this is BS. period. this was just an excuse to use amps. and you can be an apologist all you want. and if you think this will bring crowds back. your wrong. DCA is in big trouble and amps isn't the answer. look drum corps was alaways different from bands. so the way it's going lets stop the sham. stop calling it drum corps and call marching entertainment. and in case you haven't been paying attention but the old guard is leaving watching the shows and the youngsters aren't replacing them. are you going to have an outfit playing to an empty stadium? and by the way Bb horns were not made to be played outside. Of course it's an excuse to use amps, it's a benefit to the arranger and performer. Performers no longer have to play with questionable techniques that are hard on hands and instruments. Arrangers have more options as well. It's not being an apologist, it's reality (I'd assume you're not a percussionist). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuokaerf10 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 How do you or anyone else know what the fans want? And what circuits are you talking about because DCA and DCI are the only Drum Corps circuits that I know about. And both circuits have been having problems with shrinking fan base over the decades. Define "mainstream" please. IMO - insulting something different from what you are used to is very immature, no matter who does it. And considering the difficulties the activity has just surviving it's disgusting to insult any part trying to continue. PS - how does amping an already legal instrument (part I clipped) add to the design of a show? There's nothing insulting about it, that's the opinion of many DCI fans that are not familiar with DCA. I don't want that view. As for declining membership and growth, look at where new members come from: Marching band > DCI/WGI > DCA Marching band > DCA > DCI > DCA All of those minus DCA have more progressive rules in what equipment can be used and how you can design a show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuokaerf10 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 PS - how does amping an already legal instrument (part I clipped) add to the design of a show? The frontline has more option in regard to complexity of the book without pounding away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donincardona Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 It is to me. DCA finals really isn't the place for a 2 year old i know jeff. that's what i mean. you have to sacrifice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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