alumniof Posted August 13, 2013 Author Share Posted August 13, 2013 I'd settle for the Blue devils hornline actually being allowed to play a full tune. That's funny. I have to admit...this forum has some occasional smack talk blasts that actually make a valid point and based in legitimate thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyboy Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Why does it have to be Christian? Unless you're looking for closed minded un-accepting staff and a superiority complex? Most of these corps already have a great amount of respect, dignity, appreciation, and loyalty to tradition, they don't need to throw religion in there too. Keep it at home/church, let the rest of us enjoy the music without the gospel! It doesn't have to be Christian, but if someone wants to start on it just would be Christian. Members and staff could choose to go there based on their own personal beliefs. Just like some choose to march Open Class, choose a corps with an all male guard, choose a corps that is likely to win a medal, or choose a corps based on tradition. Your assumption that a Christian corps would have closed minded and un-acceptiing staff and a superiority complex is essentially a pre-judgement of a group that doesn't even exist yet. Please remember that Christian outliers make the news, but most are vastly different from the ones you see on TV or in the movies, protesting at funerals or standing on street corners yelling through a bull horn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScoutMello Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 It is not a matter of would they allow. The church believes in personal free agency among its members to choose. Would Mormons participate on Sunday? The answer is NO. Without going into a religious debate, they observe and keep the Sabbath (Sunday) holy. Sunday is the Sabbath. It does not end when they leave church service; it does not end if someone calls them on the phone or knocks at their door inviting them to come out and play, go for a ride, to a ball game, or shopping; it does not end because they are on vacation or someone is visiting them, whether member or nonmember. The Sabbath lasts all day for Mormons. According to the LDS faith...The Sabbath is a holy day in which to do worthy and holy things. Abstinence from work and recreation is important but insufficient. The Sabbath calls for constructive thoughts and acts, and if one merely lounges about doing nothing on the Sabbath, he is breaking it. To observe it, one will be on his knees in prayer, preparing lessons, studying the gospel, meditating, visiting the ill and distressed, sleeping, reading wholesome material, and attending all the meetings of that day to which he is expected. [Failure] to do these proper things is a transgression on the omission side. So they would choose not to because they're not allowed to. Although, if it were a LDS organization, and the program promoted the church and its ideals, wouldn't that be "worthy and holy"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielray Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 It is not a matter of would they allow. The church believes in personal free agency among its members to choose. Would Mormons participate on Sunday? The answer is NO. Without going into a religious debate, they observe and keep the Sabbath (Sunday) holy. Sunday is the Sabbath. It does not end when they leave church service; it does not end if someone calls them on the phone or knocks at their door inviting them to come out and play, go for a ride, to a ball game, or shopping; it does not end because they are on vacation or someone is visiting them, whether member or nonmember. The Sabbath lasts all day for Mormons. According to the LDS faith...The Sabbath is a holy day in which to do worthy and holy things. Abstinence from work and recreation is important but insufficient. The Sabbath calls for constructive thoughts and acts, and if one merely lounges about doing nothing on the Sabbath, he is breaking it. To observe it, one will be on his knees in prayer, preparing lessons, studying the gospel, meditating, visiting the ill and distressed, sleeping, reading wholesome material, and attending all the meetings of that day to which he is expected. [Failure] to do these proper things is a transgression on the omission side. Clearly from your username you are Mormon, but to say Mormons would not participate is sort of silly. There already is a ridiculously high number of Mormon kids participating (just not a lot of them are "Utah Mormons"). If Mormons didn't march drum corps Troopers, Blue Knights and Academy would struggle to field a full corps. If there was a corps closer than a 12 hour drive from Utah, there would be several times more kids participating. Probably one of the greatest untapped sources of talent in the country. Even back when I was a kid, there were loads... about 10 Mormon kids on average each year in BD and 4 of the top 12 corps had Mormon drum majors. Pretty crazy average. BTW - how do you get a Mormon to stop drinking your beer? Invite another Mormon. :-) (Disclaimer: born in Utah, Mormon, dunked at 8, the works) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielray Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 So they would choose not to because they're not allowed to. Although, if it were a LDS organization, and the program promoted the church and its ideals, wouldn't that be "worthy and holy"? An corps officially sponsored by the LDS church would be a disaster... can you imagine the food truck serving casserole and jello salad every meal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 (edited) It is not a matter of would they allow. The church believes in personal free agency among its members to choose. Would Mormons participate on Sunday? The answer is NO. Without going into a religious debate, they observe and keep the Sabbath (Sunday) holy. Sunday is the Sabbath. It does not end when they leave church service; it does not end if someone calls them on the phone or knocks at their door inviting them to come out and play, go for a ride, to a ball game, or shopping; it does not end because they are on vacation or someone is visiting them, whether member or nonmember. The Sabbath lasts all day for Mormons. According to the LDS faith...The Sabbath is a holy day in which to do worthy and holy things. Abstinence from work and recreation is important but insufficient. The Sabbath calls for constructive thoughts and acts, and if one merely lounges about doing nothing on the Sabbath, he is breaking it. To observe it, one will be on his knees in prayer, preparing lessons, studying the gospel, meditating, visiting the ill and distressed, sleeping, reading wholesome material, and attending all the meetings of that day to which he is expected. [Failure] to do these proper things is a transgression on the omission side. nm Edited August 13, 2013 by BRASSO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim K Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 So they would choose not to because they're not allowed to. Although, if it were a LDS organization, and the program promoted the church and its ideals, wouldn't that be "worthy and holy"? We may be veering off a bit to a religious debate, but my guess would be that even something promoting the church would be considered a violation for LDS. I don't believe Mormon Missionaries knock on doors on Sundays, and that would certainly be a way of promoting the church. For Seventh Day Adventists, the "Sabbath" has not been moved to Sunday, as most Christians observe (Jesus rose on a Sunday), but observe it like the Jewish people as the seventh day (in creation, on the seventh day God rested). In some ways it is surprising there are not LDS sponsored drum corps given the way they have taken to scouting..However, I do not think the shows would be strictly Mormon. Just look at the majority of commercial albums of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. They appeal to a variety of people and while many have a religious theme, most are popular hymns that span denominations, Christmas collections, patriotic songs, and some show tunes. Keep in mind that there are many Christian denominations not to mention the churches that have no official connection to a denomination. Most seem to view "keeping Holy the Sabbath" as going to church. Some recommend not shopping on Sunday unless it's an emergency but many churches who espouse this do so for justice reasons rather than religious--people should not be forced to work on Sunday. Some push the importance of family activities. While this is a generalization, most Christian denominations would probably suggest keep Sunday morning free and do whatever later in the day. It works in the sports world. Any group that organizes a drum corps understands what's involved, would make decisions about competing on Sunday prior to fielding a corps, and would do so in a way that does not compromise its beliefs or ideals. An example I can think of is not a drum corps but a band from Orleans on Cape Cod, the Spirit of America. Their drum line competes in WGI and is considering the possibility of a winter guard. The percussion ensemble competes on Sundays and the band marches in parades on Sunday. Since these take place on Sunday afternoons, religious duties are observed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielray Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Liahona.... this was an eloquent defense by you of the Mormon's of Faith that chose to keep the Sabbath a Holy Day. It is quite admirable of you I thought. However, many Mormons of Faith do play competitive sports on Sunday, do they not ? Brigham Young University sports teams play football, basketball, etc on Sundays. The entire team plays. No one sits out. Also, Mormons of Faith in Professional Sports, ie the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, World Soccer League, etc play on Sundays. I've never heard of an athlete of Mormon Faith choosing not to play on the Sabbath. As such, should a Mormon sponsored competitive Drum Corps be formed, how would Mormon's of Faith that would be participating in competition ( or practices ) here on Sundays be any different than the Mormon's of Faith that for years have participated in competitive amateur and professional sports on Sundays ? BYU never plays on Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideways Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 The difference between Cadets, Madison, Pioneer is that the corps primary purpose would be evangelical. Again...this is just theoretical discussion. And yes....it would be selective. I think the funding would be there. A million dollars over the entire Christian faith churches would not be as difficult...or as easy...as one would think. I think this thread reflects how it would be received. Evangelical?? Like the dancing with snake types? Could do a show called "Snakes on the Field," and if you thought catching a sabre was tricky just wait to you see this guard! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 (edited) BYU never plays on Sunday. I'm no expert on BYU , so I checked and you are correct. BYU won't play on Sundays. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/16/sports/16rugby.html?_r=0 Edited August 13, 2013 by BRASSO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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