Tim K

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Tim K last won the day on January 25 2018

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About Tim K

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  • Your Favorite Corps
    27th Lancers, Boston Crusaders, North Star, Holy Family Defenders,Madison Scouts, Garfield Cadets (still like the Cadets, but loved them back in the day), Phantom Regiment, Blue Stars (back in the day), Kilties
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    27th Lancers 1980 DCI finals, Phantom Regiment 1979 close second
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    1980
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  1. You make some excellent points in your comments regarding Phantom in 1997. It was as you say, weirdly paced. Wagner is brilliant and much of his brilliance comes from how he placed the music. The Ring begins and ends with the same themed music and the pieces of the four operas lead up to each other to tell the story. This did not happen in Phantom’s 1997 show. The pieces were all over the place and didn’t even work as a symphonic poem. Still musically it may have been the most demanding book of the season. The problem is taking music from four operas that combined are 16+ hours of music, and shrinking it down to ten minutes. Focusing on one of the operas could have worked. It was an “A” for effort show, but it just did not come together.
  2. What you say about PBS with drum corps is true with PBS overall. Up until the Ken Burns Civil War series, PBS was serious about the quality of the shows they presented content wise but not quality in filming. It was partly budgetary. I think PBS learned the importance of quality when they first started using specials such as Yanni, the Three Tenors, and Blast! to lure donors. Since that time think of the great acts we’ve seen on PBS. Of course many of us would love to see PBS return to broadcasting DCI butPBS has discovered that it is far less expensive to broadcast arts content made by others than produce it’s own. Not to mention more than a few DCP folks will point out that PBS felt burned when drum corps fans did not support PBS in fundraising drives.
  3. For 1987, I had to rely on the broadcast for many of the shows. Saw Garfield Cadets a few times in the early season and at a show in late July. There is no question it was a powerful show, but when I saw it the corps had a great ending but it seemed to take a while to get to it. Lots of work went into making the final product. Though SCV’s 1987 show is one of my favorite all time shows and the show I wish had won, Garfield had a great finals performance and they did not give up on the show. They worked to the end. Phantom’s Winter Palace show was amazing. I loved that it performed beloved Tchaikovsky music while had a few deep cuts into both “Swan Lake” and “The Nutcracker.” We had some innovation where it was a surprise. Sky Ryder’s and their “West Side Story” was very creative and the two different uniforms impressive.I also loved Star’s circus show, one of my all time feel good shows. Velvet Knights had their most polished show of all time though I wonder how parts of the show would be received today. When I saw Suncoast in late July I recall finding “My Fair Lady” enjoyable, though I fo not find it as impactful on DVD. Bluecoats made finals for the first time. They hadn’t come to Boston yet so I knew very little about them. Probably never expected they would become a powerhouse. Boston Crusaders and Dutch Boy did not make finals in 1987 but both had respectable shows. I think in both cases, we saw what would come later. 27th’s departure and BAC’s survival surprised many, including me, and BAC’s steady improvement was not due to picking up the pieces from 27th’s disbandment. I believe Garfield was the corps of choice for many former Lancers with some heading for Madison and Star. I may be wrong, and if I am I will soon be corrected. With Dutch Boy, they had a change in style to the swing and crooner themed shows.
  4. A civil war is breaking out between Jeff Ream and cixelsyd! Both have points that are well taken. We have seen in the past DCI is going to do what DCI is going to do, but the Internet is so much a part of our lives, we don’t always realize how much it influences us. Some corps use social media well. A good example is Carolina Crown. Between 2010-2013, they did an excellent job promoting the corps on FB and revving up excitement prior to their 2013 victory. They paid careful attention to comments and within seconds removed inappropriate or off the wall comments, and seemed to look for feedback. Let’s just say other corps did not do that great a job. Regarding social media and DCI, if you sat in an office and looked at various social media platforms, how would you make sense of it? The better known FB pages are all over the place, DCP and Reddit do have knowledgeable commenters but their posts probably have little influence. There are some who comment who do have the ears of folks in Indy and corps directors, but actual human conversations rather than posts are more influential. I saw an article about a year ago but I can’t recall where I saw it, that focused on the changes of FB and said most people who were not students and over the age of thirty signed up for Facebook between 2009-2010. This would have been the time that DCI should have taken charge of publicity on FB regarding drum corps and better controlled the conversation. This didn’t happen, and while DCI could not control the crazier pages that emerged, there would have been a stronger official voice. If that had happened, DCI would have jumped when the Internet was involved.
  5. “The Pit” is more a nickname. It is also referred to as the front ensemble.
  6. I understand where you are coming from when you credit internet chatter with some significant changes in the drum corps landscape. Certainly we know more about what is happening due to social media. That being said, as I think Jeff Ream pointed out well, print media was more responsible for GH’s situation than anything else. When sexual scandals appear on the Internet, often they are still viewed as gossip. It’s mainstream media that is still the one that plays a deciding role. It’s changing but hasn’t completely changed yet. With Oregon Crusaders, many of us learned about the situation online, and things escalated online, but staff and a good number of marching members voted with their feet before the 2018 season ended and word leaked of dissatisfaction. That’s not the folks on the Internet demanding change. Now if you look back on Internet accounts, the anger was accurate, but people were all over the place regarding details. Some claimed the corps almost folded between Atlanta and Allentown. Some said every marching member signed a petition, others has it about half. Remember too, that many claimed inside information from sources that had to remain anonymous, not always the most accurate sources. With Oregon Crusaders we learned there were problems but we had to sift through lots of over exaggerated and and understated information to find the truth. Whether perspective members were swayed by the Internet is hard to say. Now if parents of perspective members who may be paying the bill did a Google search, that young person would not be joining Oregon Crusaders.
  7. Yes and no. Many of the talented folks involved in drum corps are educators. Some of the educators teach on the elementary level in a classroom or one of the middle or high school core subjects (math, science, English, history, etc). Their jobs may be safe but many are music educators. When there are cuts in schools what program get cut first? The arts. Quite a few folks will be unemployed and drum corps can provide employment opportunities. Getting people meaningfully employed is important. It may not be full, long term employment but it is something. Drum corps may not be The number one priority, but it can play a role in the big picture.
  8. I agree. Economists seem to be predicting two years before we see stability, but non profits should be looking four to six years down the road for any kind of normalcy. For drum corps, I’ve been saying all along we need specific numbers of what is needed dollar wise and why. Some corps have said we need x dollars to survive. Not good enough. We need to see x dollars for rent, y dollars for vehicle maintenance, z dollars for staff and why the staff is necessary. For each corps the needs will be different, but the breakdown needs to be specific. This is true for all nonprofits, but where the spending of some corps has always been in question, it’s more important now.
  9. I have heard it said in the skating, diving, and gymnastics world that you are rewarded the following year for what you did the previous year. This may be the opinion of television commentators more than actual fact. I think you see this to some degree in drum corps Or at least it is perceived that way. I can recall folks making this claim in 2013 when Crown won, believing they were robbed in 2012.
  10. Today you have to be decidedly better than reigning champions, but I don’t think you had to be decidedly better than the previous champions back in the day. I am reminded of 1978’s SCV which was not decidedly better than 1977 Blue Devils or Phantom for that matter. I think the same could be said for SCV in 1981. I was not in Birmingham in 1980, but I remember the season well. I had my license and was old enough to drive myself to shows, as long as I was back home before curfew, I could go to as many local shows as I wanted. I probably saw 27th live six or seven times from early season local shows to CYO Nationals and when that show was performing on all cylinders, it was amazing. Blue Devils had a great show, no question, but it lacked a certain something. Maybe that’s how I wanted to see it. Today, we have very few videos of either 27th and BD in 1980, and the recorded legacy is the PBS broadcast which did not capture either corps all that well. I think Bridgemen fared well recording wise and supposedly a big reason why Bridgemen in 1980 was included in the Legends DVD over 27th was the quality of the recording which made it easier to remaster. In the early days Spirit was always viewed as a horn line that had drums and a guard that happened to march. I can remember hearing the critique that Spirit focused solely on the horn line at the expense of other areas though this was more the case in 79 than 80. I agree that Bridgemen did not use the guard that well but I think another factor that held them back was the uniform. It’s iconic and original but the corps was always criticized for not being “clean.” As I watch the DVD’s today, they were clean, but the uniforms didn’t help. That being said, I can’t imagine Bridgemen without that uniform.
  11. Spirit was strong at finals, but the only time they placed ahead of Bridgemen In 1980 was at prelims. I believe they placed behind Phantom and Madison most of the season too. I watched finals in the comfort of my home on PBS. I did feel that 27th should have won that night but neither 27th or BD had their best show at finals. I had seen Blue Devils at CYO Nationals about a week earlier which some believed was BD’s best show of the season. Lots of folks thought 27th’s best show was at DCI East. That being said, I watched finals with some astute friends, including one who rarely gets a prediction wrong And was sure it would have been the Bridgemen’s night. As I look back now, if Spirit was within a point of first place after everything that happened that season with Jim Ott’s tragic death, you have to wonder what would have happened if things had been different.
  12. There will not be a 2020 marching season, but DCI will have three new inductees for the Hall of Fame: Tony DiCarlo, Harold “Robby” Robinson, and Sal Salas. I had thought that two of them, Tony and Sal were already members, but in the case of all three it seems well deserved. Of the three, the only one I know personally is Tony DiCarlo. He’s a familiar face to all of us in drum corps, but even outside of drum corps, you don’t have to search too far for someone who knows him, at least in the Boston area. A friend of mine who worked with him at Putnam Investments told me that for the longest time she didn’t know what he did or what department he worked in, but go to him with any question and he would know who you needed to ask and where you’d find the answer. Congratulations to all three and thank-you for all you’ve done for the activity.
  13. I loved that DCI was held in Boston, actually it was in Foxboro which was very near where I lived at that time. It was a hot, soupy night. I agree with those who say the highlight of the evening was 27th Lancers “Once More in 94.” I can also recall the talk in the stands was the exit of Star of Indiana. What I find interesting is today Star is almost on a mythical legendary level with ground breaking shows that were ahead of their time, particularly 1993. In 1994, Star’s departure was viewed by many as sour grapes. There was also speculation they would be back. I suppose I’m in both camps. It did seem like sour grapes but you can’t deny Star’s contributions. On a completely personal note, DCI in Foxboro was welcomed in Massachusetts. We used to have two huge shows in Boston: CYO Nationals and World Open. We used to see all the great corps at least every other year if not every year, but when the drum corps landscape changed, we had great shows but never shows that featured ten to twelve top corps. The competition that night wasn’t the strongest though there were some great moments. Cadets had a huge Boston fan base and could not go wrong with “West Side Story.” I loved Phantom’s “Clair de Lune.” I wish Boston Crusaders had made finals that year. I know I thought they should have made it. I also know I was probably a bit biased, but making finals in front of a hometown crowd would have been amazing.
  14. I agree with what you suggest, but I would add that corps would benefit by being specific about what financial assistance they need and why. Food banks are seeing a huge increase in applicants, churches have been closed for six weeks now and in most cases you’re looking at least another month of closure, hospitals are strapped, especially small local hospitals, and even if the economy “recovers” there will still be unemployment and this is just a partial list. Drum corps will have lots of competition for charitable contributions.