What is "Effect?"

[Jeff Ream]

Effect, what one of 7 people in khaki's thinks about a corps show, usually reflective or where they have taught with, who they have worked with, who they have slept with, or a combination of any of the above.

Honestly, behind the scenes of DCI is the biggest joke. I would never want to be a judge for DCI, as they have NO credability what so ever. The judges throughout the season will pick a storyline, usually involving 2 or more corps that should be quite a ways apart in scoring. They will push their scores close together all season to make people believe that one of the corps is almost as good as the other one. Then at the end of the season, they will push a corps that should be 3-5 pionts back, and put them ahead of a much more deserving corps. Excitement, DCI sells more tickets, and there you have job security.

if excitement sells, then explain the BD dominance the last several years.

but thanks for playing

[Stu]

the judge is also part of the audience

Please note that we are discussing judging GE not judging Performance; those are two completely different criteria sets. Yes, the GE Judge, whether visual or Music. is 'one member' of the audience but that person also needs to realize that he/she is not 'the only member'. The GE sheets are constructed with the word 'audience' engagement not 'judge' engagement. Therefore the GE judge becomes the Official Vicar Representative of the 'entire audience'; and thus the judge takes on the responsibility of 'speaking for and on behalf of' the entire audience not just for himself/herself. And when the majority of the 'audience' is not understanding the communication, not receiving the emotional gratification, and not engaged in the aesthetic, it is the responsibility and duty for the judge to 'speak for the entire audience' and not for himself/herself. And since the GE sheets do use the word 'audience' engagement (which was supposed to be accomplished via the new Ceserio sheets), the GE judge 'as the audience representative' should certainly be bound into somewhat reflecting that lack of audience received transmission in the scoring of GE. What has happened is that if the 'judge' understands the communication, if the 'judge' receives emotional gratification, and if the 'judge' is engaged ion the aesthetic, even if the majority of the rest of the entire 'audience' does not get it, the judge will score a corps with perfect or near perfect GE numbers because he/she was engaged irrespective of the rest of the audience. Thus the 'audience', even though written into the GE sheets, even though the judge is the 'Vicar' designated to represent and speak on behalf of the 'audience', the 'audience' has actually become irrelevant.

[skevinp]

Effect, what one of 7 people in khaki's thinks about a corps show, usually reflective or where they have taught with, who they have worked with, who they have slept with, or a combination of any of the above.

Honestly, behind the scenes of DCI is the biggest joke. I would never want to be a judge for DCI, as they have NO credability what so ever. The judges throughout the season will pick a storyline, usually involving 2 or more corps that should be quite a ways apart in scoring. They will push their scores close together all season to make people believe that one of the corps is almost as good as the other one. Then at the end of the season, they will push a corps that should be 3-5 pionts back, and put them ahead of a much more deserving corps. Excitement, DCI sells more tickets, and there you have job security.

You speak with great certainty, as if you have considerable inside knowledge and overwhelming evidence. So how about sharing it with us? As a drum corps fan I would think you would want to right these serious wrongs by bringing the evidence forward. Let's hear it.

[Steve Knob]

Doesn't tell you what effect "is" (might need to check with Bill Clinton), but this was the best piece of judging advice I ever got.

"Bad effect is easy to talk about, good effect is very difficult to put into words".

Explain, with measureable and quantifiable details, what caused you to get goose bumps the last time you did.

My poor stab-

Effect is a combination of what you are seeing and hearing, mixed with what ever former knowledge and experiences you have had. (This applies to all works of art, not just drum corps)

Hence, it is completely different things to different people.

[AlexL]

Does effect measure excellence? If so, how did Crown get sixth in percussion, yet easily win music effect?

That seems simple. At a certain point at the top end, minute differences in execution dont have much impact on the effectiveness of the show.

[Michael Boo]

Effect, what one of 7 people in khaki's thinks about a corps show, usually reflective or where they have taught with, who they have worked with, who they have slept with, or a combination of any of the above.

Honestly, behind the scenes of DCI is the biggest joke. I would never want to be a judge for DCI, as they have NO credability what so ever. The judges throughout the season will pick a storyline, usually involving 2 or more corps that should be quite a ways apart in scoring. They will push their scores close together all season to make people believe that one of the corps is almost as good as the other one. Then at the end of the season, they will push a corps that should be 3-5 pionts back, and put them ahead of a much more deserving corps. Excitement, DCI sells more tickets, and there you have job security.

Oh, please provide examples and verification. That would make for a most fascinating read.

[skevinp]

Oh, please provide examples and verification. That would make for a most fascinating read.

Perhaps he can't betray his source, known only as Bass Throat, who he meets with in an underground parking garage in Roslyn, Virginia.

[Michael Boo]

Perhaps he can't betray his source, known only as Bass Throat, who he meets with in an underground parking garage in Roslyn, Virginia. :unsure:/>

Very good usage of current events.

[danielray]

I can't even with with Lawrence Welk? Everything I post here is going to get censored? :)

[skevinp]

Very good usage of current events.

I never knew the exact location until recently. As it turns our, I lived less than a mile from there one year when I was working for a law firm in DC.