HockeyDad Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 I thought the Internet was supposed to be free and open. Hahaha I did spend some time last night viewing, again, the 2006 MSARP. Truly glorious. Don't take that video down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Freedman Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 At the expense of major legal fees, future uses of music being lost in some cases, and potential prosecution of those responsible for allowing this to happen? That's worth allowing videos out there? Maybe you and the others that think DCI should allow it ought to pay the streaming fees that are starting to be required. And just do it for the shows and songs you like. Just make sure you have a minimum of several hundred thousand dollars annually to cover these fees. Otherwise, it might help to learn about the topic in all level of music, art, film, television, and writing before jumping on the "blame DCI" bandwagon, because it's not about some 45 second SCV video that this issue is really about. Although I guess those of us that think it's about DCI will probably never stop blaming them anyway. Was the clip from SCV 2014? That's all Rimsky-Korsakov 1888 I would think, unless it's based on a more recent arrangement. So isn't that public domain now? If so then it's SCV's own copyright they're protecting, which is still valid but perhaps more interesting for this discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Freedman Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 I have another question: Does anyone know whether DCI's sync/streaming rights (as defined in recent years) differentiates between public streaming and private streaming? That is, does DCI's streaming rights allow it to publish content on YouTube if it wanted to? If not, how much more would it have to pay for "open" publication versus "closed" paywall based FN? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tesmusic Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) Was the clip from SCV 2014? That's all Rimsky-Korsakov 1888 I would think, unless it's based on a more recent arrangement. So isn't that public domain now? If so then it's SCV's own copyright they're protecting, which is still valid but perhaps more interesting for this discussion.If it is from 2014, the source music is public domain, but the arrangement is not. The control the rights to their arrangements.Which means, yes, people can freely do what they want with his music, but DCI owns the videos and SCV owns the arrangements, and can have them taken down. Edited February 15, 2015 by tesmusic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tesmusic Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 I have another question: Does anyone know whether DCI's sync/streaming rights (as defined in recent years) differentiates between public streaming and private streaming? That is, does DCI's streaming rights allow it to publish content on YouTube if it wanted to? If not, how much more would it have to pay for "open" publication versus "closed" paywall based FN? There are laws dictating every level of use. Hence the reason a live webcast can have complete shows but an on demand site like the Fan Network may not be able to use material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Freedman Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 There are laws dictating every level of use. Hence the reason a live webcast can have complete shows but an on demand site like the Fan Network may not be able to use material. Yes, but this does not get at the question of whether DCI streaming rights in fact cover public streaming. I think what you're saying is that it would need to be specified separately, right? If that's so, does anyone know if DCI generally acquires such separate public streaming rights? DCI sometimes publishes short video clips, but these may be covered separately as promotional short clips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Freedman Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 If it is from 2014, the source music is public domain, but the arrangement is not. The control the rights to their arrangements. Which means, yes, people can freely do what they want with his music, but DCI owns the videos and SCV owns the arrangements, and can have them taken down. I've always understood the legal relationship between DCI and member corps to effectively allow DCI to use official DCI videos any way they want to. Meaning DCI could promote the activity by putting SCV 2014 complete on YouTube if they wanted to, and other PD shows at least. (But this may not be correct. Maybe their agreement with corps only allows FN streaming/DVDs, etc.). Then they could take the steps necessary to point several million pairs of youthful eyeballs at them. Including worldwide. (The issue of the lack of promotion of drum corps is my hobbyhorse, and I notice that I usually find a way to bring the conversation around to it, consciously or unconsciously ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tesmusic Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 I've always understood the legal relationship between DCI and member corps to effectively allow DCI to use official DCI videos any way they want to. Meaning DCI could promote the activity by putting SCV 2014 complete on YouTube if they wanted to, and other PD shows at least. (But this may not be correct. Maybe their agreement with corps only allows FN streaming/DVDs, etc.). Then they could take the steps necessary to point several million pairs of youthful eyeballs at them. Including worldwide. (The issue of the lack of promotion of drum corps is my hobbyhorse, and I notice that I usually find a way to bring the conversation around to it, consciously or unconsciously ). But we're not talking about videos on YouTube that DCI put up, and SCV wants down. This is about fan produced videos, whether recorded at shows by DCI or by individuals on their own. Even if DCI recorded, and a fan out it up, it's not supposed to be done. Now had DCI put the video up, as the sometimes do, it would still be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tesmusic Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Yes, but this does not get at the question of whether DCI streaming rights in fact cover public streaming. I think what you're saying is that it would need to be specified separately, right? If that's so, does anyone know if DCI generally acquires such separate public streaming rights? DCI sometimes publishes short video clips, but these may be covered separately as promotional short clips. The DCI streaming rights are for use on their site only, not on websites like YouTube. Also, there are separate rights, as I already pointed out for live streaming, archival streaming, and they are different for audio streaming and video streaming as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlamMan Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Its a shame that the folks who own the musical rights don't soften their stance against youth music activities using their music. Everyone in the music industry talks about promoting & funding youth musical programs, yet they go after them when they use their music. Its too bad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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