2000Cadet Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, xandandl said: Maybe more a symptom of the cultures in which we live: throw-away babies, throw-away spouses if even that commitment level, discarded genders, revolving parents and half/quarter/flexible siblings. Now the youth organizations become the palette for the designer making money and commissioned by the manufacturers (endorsement subsidies, travelling specialists salaried by the manufacturers, etc.) all of them aiming for that spot being employed by Blast or Cirque. It's no longer about the development of the character of the youthful member for whom the music and marching was an aid to character development, not a goal in itself.. Non sequitur, indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xandandl Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 2 hours ago, chaddyt said: No one is saying a military style uniform is unacceptable. We're saying it doesn't fit with the vast majority of show concepts being fielded nowadays. And having the corps proper help convey or tie into the show's theme seems to be gaining ever more prominence in DCI right now. A military styled uniform with some rather unique color combinations can be pretty restrictive if one is looking to use it to portray a particular concept. And I get it. It's that uniqueness, that presence, that unmistakable look that left no doubt as to who was entering the field that has lead us to have this debate in the first place. It's a beloved, cherished, and honored look. I'm not looking forward to not seeing it on the field as I remember back when I first fell in love with the Cadets. And I can't begin to imagine the trepidation and skepticism that alumni who've actually had the good fortune of wearing that uniform are experiencing right now. But things change, nothing is forever, and a thousand other cliches. The Cadets' legacy expands far beyond it's West Point attire. Should this activity continue on for another 30-40 years, I'm sure we'll look back at this change being just another milestone in that storied history. Mr. Cesario, now authorized by a few full time paid employees of a few corps as the Generalissimo of all things DCI, made his professional career as a teacher of costume history at the SUNY Purchase campus. Along the way he became a consultant to theater and then a designer for a manufacturer for a company that made togs for marching musical groups. Is there really any surprise that the activity on the whole is now geared toward perpetually changing what you wear each season? Sales don't generate if the same things are in the closet annually. No surprise at all while General Cesario leads his forces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xandandl Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 17 hours ago, Lance said: it depends on how you define "based on" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, chaddyt said: No one is saying a military style uniform is unacceptable. We're saying it doesn't fit with the vast majority of show concepts being fielded nowadays. In my opinion, few, if any, of the so called progressive costumes " fit the majority of show concepts being fielded these days ". For example, please explain to us how the " mod, progressive look " of the Carolina Crown Corps proper uniform of last season ( especially the headgear ) fit their 1880's spaghetti Western theme, with the 1880's western prairie stagecoach, etc and other props thematically signifying the USA in the 1880"s. Your turn... I'm all eyes and ears to learn something new and " progressive " today ...... so go head and explain this for us.... please... Edited March 21, 2017 by BRASSO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaddyt Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, BRASSO said: In my opinion, few, if any, of the so called progressive costumes " fit the majority of show concepts being fielded these days " For example, please explain to us how the Carolina Crown uniform of last season ( especially the headgear ) fit their spaghetti Western theme, with the 1880's western prairie stagecoach, etc and other props from the 1880"s. Your turn... I'm all eyes and ears to learn something new and " progressive " today ...... so go head and explain this for us.... And that's your opinion. I'm certainly not going to try and convince you otherwise, especially when you seem incapable of having a conversation without the slightest degree of snark and condescension. You win DCP, Brasso. Congrats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 (edited) 27 minutes ago, chaddyt said: You win DCP, Brasso. Congrats. I'll take your " snark " answer and " congrats " as an acknowledgement that you are compelled.. albeit relunctantly... that the " mod, progressive " uniforms of todays DCI Corps are as out of sync with most Corps themes as was the former 80+ year Cadets, cadet styled uniform was. I'll call that making " progressive " progress here on DCP today. Edited March 21, 2017 by BRASSO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaddyt Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Just now, BRASSO said: I'll take your " snark " answer and " congrats " as an acknowledgement that you are compelled.. albeit relunctantly... that the " mod, progressive " uniforms of todays DCI Corps are no more out of sync with most Corps themes than the former 80+ year Cadets, cadet styled uniform was. I'll call that making " progressive " progress here on DCP today. Take from it what you will. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2000Cadet Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 11 minutes ago, BRASSO said: In my opinion, few, if any, of the so called progressive costumes " fit the majority of show concepts being fielded these days ". For example, please explain to us how the " mod, progressive look " of the Carolina Crown Corps proper uniform of last season ( especially the headgear ) fit their 1880's spaghetti Western theme, with the 1880's western prairie stagecoach, etc and other props thematically signifying the USA in the 1880"s. Your turn... I'm all eyes and ears to learn something new and " progressive " today ...... so go head and explain this for us.... please... I'll bite. I assumed that the color scheme of Crown's uniform had more to do with the color scheme of the show (guard uniforms, flags, that huge stagecoach, etc). This is all conjecture and I'm just basing it on what I saw on the field last season. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaddyt Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 1 minute ago, 2000Cadet said: I'll bite. I assumed that the color scheme of Crown's uniform had more to do with the color scheme of the show (guard uniforms, flags, that huge stagecoach, etc). This is all conjecture and I'm just basing it on what I saw on the field last season. I would imagine you're right. The paisley western print that went down the torso/leg I'm sure was also there for a reason. But because they weren't literally marching around in ten-gallon hats, chaps and spurs, it was obviously an unsuccessful design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 (edited) 20 minutes ago, 2000Cadet said: I'll bite. I assumed that the color scheme of Crown's uniform had more to do with the color scheme of the show (guard uniforms, flags, that huge stagecoach, etc). This is all conjecture and I'm just basing it on what I saw on the field last season. The Carolina Crown's " mod, progressive " headgear alone from last season was as " out of sync " with the 1880's western prairie theme as a fish trying to ride a bicycle. Nobody can possibly attempt to make a persuasive case that the Crown proper uniform and headgear fit last season's theme well. It didn't. That said, we all learned to exercise our imaginations and look past that uniform incongruity to enjoy their show, the very same way fans have looked past the incongruity of ALL the Corps " out of sync" attires over the years to enjoy the shows.. including that of the Cadets former uniform. Edited March 21, 2017 by BRASSO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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