ImissButchandGeorge Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 oh god, sorry about the slip-up on the dates. can't believe I'm apologizing to you. are you a lawyer or something? um, actually yeah she is! LOL <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I knew something was fishy! she talk purty! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImissButchandGeorge Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 you proved my point. you really are pompous. your little point-by-point analysis shows your true pettiness (and shallowness) in believing that anyone "outside" of the drum corps community can have any serious debate about or challenge the hard-headed beliefs of someone who marched or carried an instrument. . . . . . . (etc., etc.) /quote] Let's put this to bed, already. No one ever said you weren't entitled to your opinion and you can challenge anything you want. But apparently, when you are challenged, that is not acceptable. Moreover, you sure do sound a little defensive about what you have done and haven't done - from all the things you describe yourself as having done in the drum corps activity, I can't imagine why you would consider yourself "outside" the drum corps community. No one here has said you were outside the community and thus not entitled state your opinion. We certainly can't know either way, since you choose not to mention who you are. The bottom line is this: you can think whatever you want and you can say whatever you want. So can everyone else. But don't expect others to accept your opinions just because you say they should. That just ain't gonna happen. No one has said in any manner that you should not express your opinions. You've simply been asked to stand up and be accountable for your opinions and the ridicule you've chosen to cast upon others. Accountability comes by sharing your identity, but you've chosen not to do so. Someone who doesn't have the guts to stand up and be accountable for what they say and do isn't worth any more of my time. So, point made and I'm done. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> this is getting exhausting. let's recall that you attacked me by saying my opinions were not valid because I chose not to leave my name. where's the equity in that? can you not accept the stuffiness of your argument? I fully accept any challenges to my opinions, but I will not stand for your attacks because of my lack of drum corps experience. and again, with the "no guts" comment. thanks for the assassination - again. you're superior because you march - there, happy?. congratulations. feel better? your opinion is better than mine. you were right all along. drum corps people really are smarter because they participate. regards, D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ech2os Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 This is great! I imagine Tom D didn't expect such a great thread from a review of the Hershey show. I have to "side" with IMissButchAndGeorge on this one. Maybe his put a knife in me about the Marines could be construed as a little over the top and not necessarily contructive criticism, but it was certainly colorful. And I really enjoy watching the Marines, but understand where he is coming from. I find a lot of the interaction on this site to be puerile and one sided. I mean....I don't want to log on and listen to a bunch of pissing and moaning and complaining either, but I think sometimes people have too much difficulty separating their own feelings from someone else's thoughts. Feelings and thoughts used intentionally. For example, I am still not quite sure what all the hub bub is about the Inspires, but I haven't said anything because the posters on DCP are so in love with them that I didn't want to get into a debate if I said anything to the contrary. So........I applaud the poster for laying it out there and for his persevereance throughout this thread. I don't see where divulging his name has anything to do with anything. As somebody who has never marched, but knows how to read music and play trumpet and attended 100's of Jr. and Sr. shows over the last 25 years I would also agree with his statements about the typical ego of the "musician". This really isn't anything new or unique to drum corps. People do this in every activity. The problem is that the best musicians aren't the best writers and arrangers or conductors etc etc anymore than Deion Sanders would be a better head coach than Bill Cowher even though Sanders is a future Hall of Fame football coach and Cowher was nothing more than a 2nd rate linebacker and special teams specialist. Just my two cents..........great thread. Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga. :) he he Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImissButchandGeorge Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 This is great! I imagine Tom D didn't expect such a great thread from a review of the Hershey show.I have to "side" with IMissButchAndGeorge on this one. Maybe his put a knife in me about the Marines could be construed as a little over the top and not necessarily contructive criticism, but it was certainly colorful. And I really enjoy watching the Marines, but understand where he is coming from. I find a lot of the interaction on this site to be puerile and one sided. I mean....I don't want to log on and listen to a bunch of pissing and moaning and complaining either, but I think sometimes people have too much difficulty separating their own feelings from someone else's thoughts. Feelings and thoughts used intentionally. For example, I am still not quite sure what all the hub bub is about the Inspires, but I haven't said anything because the posters on DCP are so in love with them that I didn't want to get into a debate if I said anything to the contrary. So........I applaud the poster for laying it out there and for his persevereance throughout this thread. I don't see where divulging his name has anything to do with anything. As somebody who has never marched, but knows how to read music and play trumpet and attended 100's of Jr. and Sr. shows over the last 25 years I would also agree with his statements about the typical ego of the "musician". This really isn't anything new or unique to drum corps. People do this in every activity. The problem is that the best musicians aren't the best writers and arrangers or conductors etc etc anymore than Deion Sanders would be a better head coach than Bill Cowher even though Sanders is a future Hall of Fame football coach and Cowher was nothing more than a 2nd rate linebacker and special teams specialist. Just my two cents..........great thread. Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga. :) he he <{POST_SNAPBACK}> thank the lord! a voice of reason! man, I was waiting for someone to throw me a lifeline. thanks for that. yes, my comment about the Marines was snarky and perhaps crude. I apologize for that one, but I thought that would get taken as somewhat humorous. boy, was I wrong. it's unfortunate that the corps community can't seem to look at itself objectively enough and casts aside those that don't play/teach/march. I thought the goal of this 'site was to critique and cajol, (sometimes with humor and bite), bust chops and present differing opinions - regardless of accomplishment. guess not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ech2os Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 Uh oh.......I see dvldawg411 is reading this post......here it comes:) JK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orpheus Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 you and dvldawg and others have disrespected me because I choose not to tell you who I am. No, I disrespect you because you say things like "I have to disagree with USMC. they just get more and more boring every time I see them, and they usually play too long. rah, rah, rah, Sousa March, crowd on feet, clapping in time, standing O - please stick a knife in my back." On the other hand, if you had said something like, "I know the crowd loves them, but it's just not the style of performance that I have any desire to see at a DCI show," then I'd respect your honest and politely stated opinion. See the difference? Have a happy day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drumcorpsbrat Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 Well as you can all see I am new to all of this... I think we can all agree to disagree especially when opinions are so varied. You know...I loved the corps I saw and yeah everyone is entitled to their opinions...Blue Devils are a group I have never liked but Tom loves them....He watched and I streched my legs... So what ?!?! We didn't argue that I didn't stick around to see his favorite corps. We both have differnt opinions and neither of us just to the other and say yours is right or wrong. I have been following this thread since Tom posted it. I have been amused and hurt too. Our young men and women in the Marine Corps Drum and Bugle Corps do a fantastic job...They may not be in your face Drum corps but they are to be commended for their tallent and their dicipline. If you are bored with their portion of the show then ...Go stretch your legs :) Opinions and debate make the world go round and I will continue to enjoy the banter. Best of luck to all the Corps in the rest of the season !!!!!!!!! You all are wonderful, talented, musicians and showmen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucsbucks Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 dvldawg thinks I should bow down to the fact that the Marines made us a free country, Jeffjetta wants to send me to the souvie area to meet up with the Marines, and a retired Marine wants to "beat my opinion out of me." IF I wanted your opinion, like the gorilla on the famous 1970's poster, I would beat it out of you. You're probably a little too young to remember this, so the attempt at humor was wasted. Sorry. You're entitled to your opinion. Heck, the last time I saw them I yawned a couple times. But I also had a few goosebump experiences. You say po-tay-to, I say po-tah-to. Can't we just all get along!?!?!? Al BTW, you never marched and you love drum corps? God bless you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orpheus Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 dvldawg thinks I should bow down to the fact that the Marines made us a free country, Well, they've certainly helped. You don't need to bow down, but the USMC certainly deserves their share of respect. Jeffjetta wants to send me to the souvie area to meet up with the Marines, He said nothing of the sort. and a retired Marine wants to "beat my opinion out of me." <Woosh!> That's the sound of this a joke going right over your head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImissButchandGeorge Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 No, I disrespect you because you say things like "I have to disagree with USMC. they just get more and more boring every time I see them, and they usually play too long. rah, rah, rah, Sousa March, crowd on feet, clapping in time, standing O - please stick a knife in my back." On the other hand, if you had said something like, "I know the crowd loves them, but it's just not the style of performance that I have any desire to see at a DCI show," then I'd respect your honest and politely stated opinion. See the difference?Have a happy day. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> fair point. I have apologized for those statements already in a previous post. however, this 'site cannot be all vanilla and happy-happy-joy-joy. you have to take everyone's "take" on something. maybe my description was a bit crass or sarcastic. I was simply trying to be funny and critical at the same time. I guess no one wants humor and criticism to mix in here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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