Who would love the Cadets again?

[dbc03]

Thanks for telling me what I can and can't do. I'll continue posting whatever I'd like, so long as it abides by the Terms of Service.

We realize that you will keep posting whatever you want, you've been doing so about the exact same thing for several months now. However you should consider that the Terms of Service indicate the absolute limit of what you CAN post, not what you SHOULD post. There were shows this summer that I really didn't like, but I said my piece about it during the season a couple times. You are STILL making threads to have a s### fest on the Cadets.

Don't just use the Terms of Service as your indicator of what you will post. Use maturity and common sense.

[Hrothgar15]

I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinion. The people who try to force theirs on others are the kind of people whose opinions I find easiest to dismiss after consideration.

Never did I once say, "OK everyone, you have to believe exactly what I believe about the Cadets." I'm just sharing my own personal opinion, but it's true that there are many people who feel the same way, though not necessarily to the same extent.

In my opinion, it would be best for the activity, the corps, and the fans, as a whole, if the Cadets did not include vocal amplification in their shows anymore.

There's no way to find out, but I'm assuming that out of the entire audience at finals, the majority of people did not approve of the Cadets' use of narration, dialogue, and singing, and would have preferred they had not been included in the show. Then again, that's only an assumption.

And to those of you that think I have no right to call myself a "Cadets fan," what should I call myself if I absolutely adore 95% of their shows but absolutely despise one of them?

Edited October 12, 2006 by Hrothgar15

[dbc03]

Never did I once say, "OK everyone, you have to believe exactly what I believe about the Cadets." I'm just sharing my own personal opinion, but it's true that there are many people who feel the same way, though not necessarily to the same extent.

In my opinion, it would be best for the activity, the corps, and the fans, as a whole, if the Cadets did not include vocal amplification in their shows anymore.

There's no way to find out, but I'm assuming that out of the entire audience at finals, the majority of people did not approve of the Cadets' use of narration, dialogue, and singing, and would have preferred they had not been included in the show. Then again, that's only an assumption.

And to those of you that think I have no right to call myself a "Cadets fan," what should I call myself if I absolutely adore 95% of their shows but absolutely despise one of them?

First of all, shouldn't you be in school?

Edit: Actually, looking at your posting history, do you EVER go to school? :/Edit

Second of all, this isn't about you not liking 2006, it's about you being THE most vocal person about not liking it and beating a dead horse over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over 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Edited October 12, 2006 by dbc03

[MikeD]

There's no way to find out, but I'm assuming that out of the entire audience at finals, the majority of people did not approve of the Cadets' use of narration, dialogue, and singing, and would have preferred they had not been included in the show. Then again, that's only an assumption.

You know what happens when you assume, don't you?

Why not just say YOUR opinion and not try and drag in 'the majority of the audience' as you have no possible idea what the majority thinks.

[supersop]

I just love how strong arguments get overlooked and ignored. b**bs

[Hrothgar15]

First of all, shouldn't you be in school?

Edit: Actually, looking at your posting history, do you EVER go to school? :/Edit

My classes today were from 9:30 to 10:30, 11:00 to 12:00, and 12:00 to 1:30. So no.

[tplaya1]

It's hard to be a Cadet. Probably, moreso than any other corps. Reading this crap doesn't make it any easier. So here's another perspective that you may or may not wish to read/digest/excrete. If anything, I hope you take away a touch of humbility and an ounce of :sshh:

There has long been a mystique to the Cadets. This is something that has driven drum and bugle corps to the levels it has reached over the course of the last 23 years. The period in the 80's and early 90's when the Cadets were "untouchable", even when they didn't win, was due in large part to the show design and creativity that the staff was allowed to explore. This was not a matermind effort by GH. It was more that Hoppy allowed his staff to express themselves through their design on the field. This has not changed, nor do I see it changing. All the criticism about Hoppy and the staff, whether warranted or not, is going to happen and will continue to happen.

As for the members of the Cadets ..... dont' ever bring them into these conversations. As a former marching member I can only speak to my own personal experiences and the stories of others I've marched with or come in contact with over the years. As for me, I didn't march the Cadets to chase a ring. I didn't march because they constantly brought the crowd to their feet. I didn't go there because I knew I would be pegging dubba C's on the front sideline. I'll tell you why I did it. It was the mystique, the mystery, the awe of the performances that drew me to the Cadets. If anything, this corps, at a membership level, has held more true to drum corps history over the years than any other corps. For a very long time, NO ONE executed as well as they/we did. They continued to push the demand and continued to execute and rediculously high levels. I wasn't pegging dubba C's but I did have plenty of Double F's and G's in 32nd note runs. It took a long time for the activity to catch up to them (in my opinion, this really didn't start to happen until Star '93). Everyone was always a step behind. In many ways, they still are. But we aren't talking about accessiblity, or crowd erruptions. We're talking design folks .. that's not a member issue.

Putting on the colors of the Holy Name was not only an honor, it was a burden. One who marches the Cadets has a history to live up to that is not often realized by Hoppy. He has even admitted so in past interviews. For 17 years, I have questioned my show with the Cadets. Was it good enough? Did we live up to the tradition? Did we make "The Ghost's" proud? How will it measure up on the alltime list? You may think I'm crazy for feeling this way, especially since that show won a DCI Title. But, it's true. As a Cadet, you expect more of yourself. You suspect that the Cadets who came before you expect more than what you can or will give to wear the uniform. You push yourself harder to execute, perfect etc. Somewhere in the middle of tour you hate life and even feel that you're not getting the "family" experiece that one would expect from DBC. However, it all comes together in the end. I know I'm not hitting it on the head, but that's exactly my point. This corps can not now, nor will they ever be understood. They are different, they always will be. The only way to find out for yourself is to march there.

A Cadet member does not go into the season expecting to be loved or understood. They understand the complexity of what they perform and how it effects the "fans" of drum corps (both positively and negatively). They feel the pressure of Cadets past ...... Design staff present ... and fans everywhere in between. How does it service them to constantly cut on thier program? Where would drum and bugle corps be without them? Sure I agree that there could have been a 10-15 year period where drum corps didn't evolve and we just stayed in that groove. It would have been an EPIC period for drum corps. However, with every passing year, the envelope continued to be shreaded. So be it. Get over it. If you dont' like a show ..... email the staff.... email the director..... go get a hotdog when the corps is on the field. Conversely, there are an immense amount of fans and prospective students in this country that love the Cadets program and wish to support and be a part of it. If you dont' get it, I feel sorry for you.

Well put, and I think most people in corps feel that same burden to be the best *insert corps* and to live up to tradition. That's not just a Cadet thing. Great post

[PhantomFanT10]

Then Hrothgar, state your opinion and let it be. You don't need to defend yourself against every post responding to your opinion. Let people state their opinions and DROP IT. There's no need to be defensive about everything. Go out and get some fresh air. But if you live anywhere in IL, I don't recommend it- see, after the hot weather of Monday, we have snow in the air today. :P Then again, maybe the cold would do you good.

I feel that the inclusion of amplification is good for the activity even if I disagree with SOME usage of it. That's my opinion. I will now proceed NOT to respond to every line of every post following this one. ;)

[piojon]

i think amplification is the wrong way to go in drum corps...but it is a direction that it will go and well....there is not much we can do about it you know?

[thePerfectbuzz]

It's hard to be a Cadet. Probably, moreso than any other corps. Reading this crap doesn't make it any easier. So here's another perspective that you may or may not wish to read/digest/excrete. If anything, I hope you take away a touch of humbility and an ounce of :sshh:

There has long been a mystique to the Cadets. This is something that has driven drum and bugle corps to the levels it has reached over the course of the last 23 years. The period in the 80's and early 90's when the Cadets were "untouchable", even when they didn't win, was due in large part to the show design and creativity that the staff was allowed to explore. This was not a matermind effort by GH. It was more that Hoppy allowed his staff to express themselves through their design on the field. This has not changed, nor do I see it changing. All the criticism about Hoppy and the staff, whether warranted or not, is going to happen and will continue to happen.

As for the members of the Cadets ..... dont' ever bring them into these conversations. As a former marching member I can only speak to my own personal experiences and the stories of others I've marched with or come in contact with over the years. As for me, I didn't march the Cadets to chase a ring. I didn't march because they constantly brought the crowd to their feet. I didn't go there because I knew I would be pegging dubba C's on the front sideline. I'll tell you why I did it. It was the mystique, the mystery, the awe of the performances that drew me to the Cadets. If anything, this corps, at a membership level, has held more true to drum corps history over the years than any other corps. For a very long time, NO ONE executed as well as they/we did. They continued to push the demand and continued to execute and rediculously high levels. I wasn't pegging dubba C's but I did have plenty of Double F's and G's in 32nd note runs. It took a long time for the activity to catch up to them (in my opinion, this really didn't start to happen until Star '93). Everyone was always a step behind. In many ways, they still are. But we aren't talking about accessiblity, or crowd erruptions. We're talking design folks .. that's not a member issue.

Putting on the colors of the Holy Name was not only an honor, it was a burden. One who marches the Cadets has a history to live up to that is not often realized by Hoppy. He has even admitted so in past interviews. For 17 years, I have questioned my show with the Cadets. Was it good enough? Did we live up to the tradition? Did we make "The Ghost's" proud? How will it measure up on the alltime list? You may think I'm crazy for feeling this way, especially since that show won a DCI Title. But, it's true. As a Cadet, you expect more of yourself. You suspect that the Cadets who came before you expect more than what you can or will give to wear the uniform. You push yourself harder to execute, perfect etc. Somewhere in the middle of tour you hate life and even feel that you're not getting the "family" experiece that one would expect from DBC. However, it all comes together in the end. I know I'm not hitting it on the head, but that's exactly my point. This corps can not now, nor will they ever be understood. They are different, they always will be. The only way to find out for yourself is to march there.

A Cadet member does not go into the season expecting to be loved or understood. They understand the complexity of what they perform and how it effects the "fans" of drum corps (both positively and negatively). They feel the pressure of Cadets past ...... Design staff present ... and fans everywhere in between. How does it service them to constantly cut on thier program? Where would drum and bugle corps be without them? Sure I agree that there could have been a 10-15 year period where drum corps didn't evolve and we just stayed in that groove. It would have been an EPIC period for drum corps. However, with every passing year, the envelope continued to be shreaded. So be it. Get over it. If you dont' like a show ..... email the staff.... email the director..... go get a hotdog when the corps is on the field. Conversely, there are an immense amount of fans and prospective students in this country that love the Cadets program and wish to support and be a part of it. If you dont' get it, I feel sorry for you.

amazing post