HockeyDad

You need to be reminded that people come on here to voice their opinions and we should celebrate the rich diversity of our DCP family, not shut them down because they don't parrot our own views.

Yeah, I'm feeling more myself today. You see, we had this major valve leak at work over the weekend and it was weighing on my mind and.....whatever - nobody cares. I'll be back on the other side of your opinions next time.

Huh? No it didn't, not anymore than amplifying it did. As you said in the equation you so kindly provided (BTW do you think even ONE member of the BOD.....oh, never mind), changing "A" doesn't "create a new sound". In the same way, neither does changing the pitch (frequency). If it were truly a new sound, you wouldn't need a human voice to create it, would you? IMO it was a "changed" sound.

Sorry man....all better now. Yes.....narration is "good" and "cutting edge" and if you don't like it you're "close minded". Yes, all better.

Four years...only four years. For how many years in a row did Hopkins introduce his amps proposal to the BOD? How many? Ten? More? So - pot / kettle. Hopkins didn't get used to it. Anyway, if you can't get into a debate, what's the point of DCP? Endless cheerleading?

OK so I guess I have a bad ear. It's not the worst thing anyone ever said about me.

Put sails on their buses?

Its (apostrophe removed - pet peeve) existance doesn't keep me from discussing great performers - Cadets have great performers. Its existance does keep me from Hearing great performers, however.

OK, you want substance: How do you define "significant"? What if were two octaves? One octave? How much is too much? And, if changing the amplitude of a sound wave is apparently OK, then why is changing the frequency of the sound wave Not OK? That argument is completely illogical. Amplify, modulate, who cares. Once DCI let the genie out of the bottle, it's too late to split hairs IMO. And, like MikeD says, it wasn't illegal, as evidenced by lack of penalty. Unless you want to believe that after dozens and dozens of adjudications by hundreds of individual judges, not ONE of them noticed the "illegal" use of equipment. Conspiratorial thinking doesn't make it true.

I wanted to say what you said but didn't want the easily offended DCP regulars to hyperventilate ("moderators - close this thread..."). BTW, it's 31 years now and I'm still P*ssed off that I can't listen to your '77 Bridgemen. One of the most exciting, entertaining shows I ever saw.

True. But, as awesome as they were in '78, I thought they were even better in '79.

Jerry "Moonbeam" Brown?? He's still around? Good job, California. You get what you deserve.

Hey, kid......it's been a LOT longer for me since my last physics class Do you really think DCI made an intelligent decision based on understanding the physics of sound? I'm thinking...not.

BUT, Amping the human voice IS changing the sound. Amplifying, i.e. changing the amplitude, occurs when the "height" of the sound wave is increased. This makes it louder. But, it IS changing the wave. In the same way, changing the horizontal distance peak-to-peak of a wave is a change in Frequency. This changes the pitch. This debate has been about amplification, which is deemed ok, and which is a change in wave height; vs. "modulation" or a change to wave frequency, which is deemed not ok. But, that's illogical, because in both cases, the sound wave is being changed. Why is changing it in the "y" direction ok but not in the "x" direction? In either case you are changing the wave. So, I fail to see a distinction. Therefore I agree with Mike D, completely. Mike, this May be a first - please stop it.

Sorry, but this whole thread reads like a bunch of sour grapes. I found that "effect" annoying and detracting from the show. Is it possible BD LOST a tenth or so because of it?????? Win with dignity. Lose with dignity. It's one of the lessons that drum corps is supposed to teach.

If you invest your tuppence Wisely in the bank Safe and sound Soon that tuppence, Safely invested in the bank, Will compound And you'll achieve that sense of conquest As your affluence expands In the hands of the directors Who invest as propriety demands (Mary Popppins - Fidelity Fiduciary Bank) And then you take that interest and send it to a drum corps of your choosing.

Funny.....slamming an obviously sarcastic post, AND misspelling "ignorant" all in one sentence.

I'm very impressed at how many of you are music majors. I was never anything more than a very average player - piano and trumpet. I didn't have the "guts" to go into music that you have. It wasn't the field of study being recommended back in "the day" if you wanted to get a job post-college. So, now I'm an engineer, yes, that field so closely related to music. My advice: Follow your own way. Don't get hung up on other people's expectations. Don't "follow the herd." Be you. You love drum corps - do it while you have the opportunity. Don't worry about what other people think. But, as the Other Mike says, if you suffer the fools (profs) and don't confront them now, it might pay off in the long run. It might be satisfying for about 5 minutes to tell off your prof, but then for the rest of your school years you'll be paying the price. Take it from me, I've learned that lesson - about 1000 times now. Then, get your music degree and go teach young minds or do whatever other things you want. What could be more rewarding that watching a kid fall in love with music, and you had a part in it? Oh yeah, and, don't forget - Holst and Vaughn Williams is new to somebody, even if you can't bring yourself to play it one more time. Fondly, Dad

Well....is there something wrong with it being a "hobby and nothing more"? Trying to be delicate here - sure, it's part of your life experience. Absolutely. And a darn good one. Just like everything you do growing up is part of your life experience and part of what makes you who you are. In that sense I guess you could call it "part of your education." But, part of your Education, as in, you should actually get college credit for it? I agree drum corps is part of your education as a young adult. But maybe you and your prof were talking past each other? You were talking education in a global sense, whereas he or she was talking about education specifically as it relates to your college degree? Otherwise, not sure why he / she would care. Except maybe in a high-brow snooty way maybe you music major "insiders" know about where certain factions look down their noses at other factions.

Troopers 1974. Just because.

Rule breaker. You only get to pick ONE.

Ars Gratia Artis I remember going to the "greatest movie ever made" Citizen Kane. I walked out of the theater after the movie having no idea what I just saw or why it was so great. It seemed stupid. OK, he's talking about his sled - what's the big deal? Only after having it explained to me (look at the lighting, the camera angles, the thinly veiled story line taking a shot at William Randolph Hearst) and then watching it again did it make any sense to me. So, I'm not sure what the problem is with explaining the storyline of a drum corps show, if it happens to have one. But I guess I'm dense.

Yeah, but he's asking about drum corps shows, not art.

The "Corps" itself, or the members of the corps? As a member, what I got out of it was: fun, hard work, making friends, being part of a group that was better as a whole than I could ever be alone, learning how to suffer fools, how to make the best of bad situations and of good ones..... I guess I learned lots of stuff. Everyone takes away something different. I'm not sure it's more than that, in the overall scheme of things. Does a drum corps have a bigger meaning to or function in a community? Or to a marching member - i.e. to "educate" you? I think that comes with it, but it's not the primary function. I don't see drum corps doing things in the community too much anymore. You're pretty busy with "practice....and more practice..." Seems to me then that the primary function is to make great music, and be competitive, and not go bankrupt in the process.

Plus the Gophers suk....