dcifan1999

1995-my rookout. People seem to have a strong liking for our show.

Musically I thought it was a strong show, but from a visual standpoint I thought the design was atrocious, and executed very poorly at many times. I am a huge fan of BD, but this show just never did it for me. Watch this video for example around 1'45" This show to me, much like Cavaliers 2002 seem to me like shows that many people like because it's what our little community has decided. But like Cavaliers 2002, if you watch it objectively it's not as well designed and performed-especially visually as people choose to remember it.

My point is with a better recruiting effort you could easily double your numbers.

Baraboo was 2007-2009.

Maybe instead of useless hype, it would be wise to work on your recruiting efforts. For example-you're 1 1/2 hours from Chicago and there is ZERO effort. Might be better than social media false hype.

Exactly. It's all smoke and mirrors until we see/hear something. When I marched, one of our bus jobs for rookies was "Overhype football coach guy boy" and it seems like that's what we get to experience on here with all these Pioneer brass captionhead. Maybe it's time to give it a rest and show the improvement or lack of when the season hits. All of these posts will seem absurd if they don't live up to the posts, and frankly, after hearing them at camp, it's useless overhype...but that's my opinion.

Faves 1991 1990 1995 1989 2014 honorable mention 2011 2008 2012 least 1983 1994

I hope this is true!

1993 1997 1998 1979 1982 HM all others

I've wanted this to happen for years.

And guard staff, that's been a weak point for years.

Favorites: 1995 1991 2000 2011 2012 least favorite: 2006-2009

Which is?

If I recall correctly, in 1989 the audio for the "If We Were in Love" was from the semi's performance due to performance issues on Saturday. It's on the video, but the records were altered. I have no issue with DCI doing this with Crown as well. Why not put the best media product out there possible.

Scouts just announced via Facebook and their website that Marie Czapinski will be an advisor to the visual program. Not sure how I feel about that...

To me, the uniforms in 2017 were hideous, not to mention the overuse of the horn microphones. Some of the visual design worked for me, but I just couldn't get beyond those items.

Thank you for the info, and congrats on the position. My questions rise from the fact that you posted that Pioneer is further along than they have ever been, and based on your reply, your opinion is hard to take seriously. I'm glad the kids are hungry, and that you have the 31 registered for January camp, but the truth and fact of the matter is this does not show that Pioneer is further along, nor does it show that Pioneer is growing, as that number is actually concerning in my opinion. I can tell you for certain that the number is lower than it has been for Pioneer many years, and the fact that the kids are hungry does not show growth or greater progress. I'm all for being excited, but I'm also for being realistic and factual. The fact of the matter is Pioneer currently has similar numbers they've had for January camp in the past, which is still less than half of virtually all other world class corps, and even many open class corps. In addition, Pioneer is once again typecasting themselves in terms of show concept, as well as continually missing many opportunities for recruiting. As someone that lives in Chicago, and works with a number of programs, I have yet to see any efforts to get kids to come to Milwaukee from this area. When I walk into various schools throughout the Chicago area, I see posters and info for many other corps, from all across the country, and nothing from Pioneer. Keep going with the optimism, and I hope you find success there, but I'm not holding out hope that things will improve much, if at all.

I apologize, I was involved with the staff at Pioneer in 2005.

I must be in the minority, but I couldn't stand the 2017 show.

I appreciate your optimism, but one argument I have always made, and feel strongly about is the whole commitment to the Irish theme, and too often done in a forced way. That said, it's a pretty bold statement to say that Pioneer is further along than they have ever been. Through the 90's, and even some years since their success in the mid 90's, Pioneer has been very strong. However, based on what the corps has done the past number of years, coupled with the fact that it's only December 6, having only held a few auditions/camp type rehearsals, I'm curious what makes you say this. This makes me have a few questions. Since things are further along than they have ever been: 1. Are numbers greater than they have been at this point of auditioned and accepted members? 2. Is the talent/experience level greater? Having been around the activity a long time, and having spent some time on the brass staff, as well as being at camps, I'm very curious to see what your response is. For example, in 1997, Pioneer went Division 1, and had a full hornline, but that wasn't the case until almost the season, and even then many of the members were barely playing the show, if it all. I was dating a member of the hornline that season while I was marching in another corps, and was able to learn this information first hand. Also, in 2005, we averaged about 30 members of the hornline at camps until about April, when the numbers went up. Based on the size the corps and hornline has been in recent years, and their talent level in performance, I'd love to know.

Favorites: 1991 1988 1995 1997 2005 Least favorites: 2017 1993

Or if they really wanted to explore something, they'd go with serpents, as those are plentiful in Irish folklore and mythology, but dragons, nope.

At some point, forcing the whole Irish thing into a show needs to stop. I get that Pioneer uses this as their identity, but this is quite a stretch. I mean, last year they originally were going to call the show Prisoner #somethingorother and then changed the show to Irish on Broadway: The Music of Les Miserables. Now it's a dragon show, but it has to be Irish dragons. I just don't get it. It seems forced, and not very creative.

I think that 1993 Star was a better show in terms of innovation, and throughout the season, execution. However, 1989 SCV is far superior in terms of entertainment value and execution on finals night. That said, Star 93 has been given a lot more praise as the years have passed, even though it was not well received through much of the 1993 season.