Flaming bag on the front door step

[dbc03]

You dont see that even people that are/were for narration have a problem with the "content" of this show ?

More and more lurkers are coming out against andmore and more established Cadet fans are apologizinf and explaining their dismay for not liking this show ?

These sensless polls, mean nothing, but do you see how one sided they are, just as many people could vote the other way, if they existed, but they arent.

What are you missing ??

Geoffrey

I'm not missing anything at all, thanks though.

All I was saying is that it is early and I wouldn't completely write off this show just yet. It could wind up like a 2005 or 2007. On the other hand it might end up like a 2006.

But people are acting like it isn't a common occurrence in the last 3 years for a Cadets show to be extremely unpopular at the beginning of the season but grow on the fans by the end of the year.

[Granny Smith]

I sat listening to this show with my head in my hands, half laughing (as were a number of people around me) and half disappointed with what has become of my once favorite corps. Just before them was Crown, who brought back to my mind the great shows that once characterized the Cadets.

Not only was the actual narration awful, but the philosophy of the message was terrible. I try to be as positive as I can on this board, but for the sake of the activity I hope that more people speak out.

As always, as with the rest of you, this is only an opinion.

[wvu80]

I haven't seen the show yet, however I think that 2005 would have gotten similar responses to this question after the first week of the season as well.

Excellent point.

The difference is that 2005 went on to become the highest scoring DCI show of all time. I don't think this show will.

And if we had polls "back in the day" then, I think you would have found that the traditional fans would also voted against asymmetrical drill, the loss of the tick system, and the change to Bb horns just as vehemently. I can assure you fans were just as angry then, because DCI and the Cadets were "ruining drum corps."

In drum corps as in business, there is nothing worse than being slightly just ahead, or slightly behind, the mainstream.

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Just before them was Crown, who brought back to my mind the great shows that once characterized the Cadets. (Granny Smith)

I was thinking the same thing as I watched Crown.

Edited June 29, 2008 by wvu80

[dbc03]

The difference is that 2005 went on to become the highest scoring DCI show of all time. I don't think this show will.

Not many people thought that about '05 either at this point.

Heck, after the semifinals score I certainly wasn't expecting to break 99.

All I'm saying is that it is extremely early. The Cadets may go on to win over the fans and they may not. I realize that this is a hot topic on DCP, but keep in mind it's just one show. If you don't like it there are plenty of others that you might like.

[spanksregular]

If Crown's show this year represents what was good about the Cadets, I'll gladly take the Pursuit of Happiness. Crown's show is the worst kind of pandering.

[HockeyDad]

OK, I was AT the show last night. Here are my impressions:

First, I was surprised at my own reaction that both Cadets and Cavaliers seemed so, formulaic, if that's a word. It's like you know what they're gonna do next. Their execution is great, don't get me wrong. Cavies drill is awesome as always, and Cadets too. Cavies guard work was clearly the best last night. But, you just know what they're gonna do and it seems like they're both following the same formula they've used in the past.

I thought both Cavies and Cadets are "leaving the door open" this year. SCV, Phantom, BD..... it's yours for the taking. Step up and do it... BUT, it's June so six weeks to Finals is a long, long time. But I thought Cavies were about 2.5 above Cadets right now and that's how the scores turned out.

Narration:

No corps used narration except Cadets. I'm unsure if Bluecoats was trying to use narration at the beginning of their show and the amps didn't work?? But they didn't, and their show wasn't lacking for it.

Cadets narration: Based on the early season posts here, I expected more narration than last year. It seemed to me to be pretty much the same as last year though. I don't know if I was tuning it out or what, but it actually seemed less distracting to the music than last year, i.e. most (or all?) of the talking was when they weren't playing. The content of the narration, however, seemed to me to have no link at all to the performance. MikeD has frequently said that Cadets 2007 show couldn't exist without the narration, i.e. the narration is part of the "fabric" of the show. This year, it felt to me that the narration was a setup for how I was supposed to feel when watching the subsequent show segment. Didn't need it. And, my biggest gripe, was it came of as a young 20 year old's impression of lifes lessons. Didn't pass the giggle test with this old fart. Example: yeah, I love the kids to death and all, and I do make it to their recitals....but, boy I LOVE that money yum yum..... I LOVE me my job... Yeah.... I'm not sure you want to go there with preaching about what life's priorities should be. And, the "I'm a cancer survivor" thing....do you want the crowd to applaud that? Strange. So my thought is, you could completely remove narration from the show, add one or two impact moments of Cadets trademark awesome drill, and come out ahead. Way ahead.

Blue Stars - Wow. Back in the top 12 for the first time since '79? Do we dare to dream or is it way too early?

Madison - GET BOERSMA (sp?) back. Their arrangements are a train wreck. Felt so bad for the kids who are trying so hard.

[Tez]

I'm not missing anything at all, thanks though.

All I was saying is that it is early and I wouldn't completely write off this show just yet. It could wind up like a 2005 or 2007. On the other hand it might end up like a 2006.

But people are acting like it isn't a common occurrence in the last 3 years for a Cadets show to be extremely unpopular at the beginning of the season but grow on the fans by the end of the year.

Do you REALLY think the Cadets will change the show enough so that many people will change their opinion of it? I don't. None of the past 3 years shows have gotten even close to this many negative comments. I am a good example... I made almost no negative comments the last few years and loved all these shows... This year..... not even close. I think that the more people see this show, the worse this is going to get. Just wait till finals week.

[Casaba]

I love a good pandering!

[wvu80]

I also want to go on record as voting to HATE the narration from 2007 Cadets at the beginning of the season. It truly bothered me.

But after to listening to the uplifting message and monster corps that was the 2007 finals version, I now want to go back now, and change my vote to "YES."

-wvu80, a longtime Cadets fan, and now a Cadets 2007 Fan

[HockeyDad]

If Crown's show this year represents what was good about the Cadets, I'll gladly take the Pursuit of Happiness. Crown's show is the worst kind of pandering.

Funny. As I sat there watching, my stomach kind of started to hurt. Like, if you had ice cream for every meal. Hey, ice cream is great, but, I can't eat it morning, noon and night. Crown was like - eating chocolate sundaes all day long. I couldn't take it any more. It was like 20 great endings to 20 masterpieces - I can't keep one 11.5 minute emotional high anymore I guess. (no Viagra jokes needed here)