Perry S Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 maybe you should just concenstrate on the viagra since you have no experience here :troll food: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tsar Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 maybe you should just concenstrate on the viagra since you have no experience here And there goes your attempt to be the "voice of maturity and reason." Hope it was worth it (but frankly, that was a terrible "jab" worthy of my 4-year old sister). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMo Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 I will always show the Cadet members the utmost respect. But Mr. H, who is extremely talented, will get no respect from me. It's personal...........don't mess with my kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Other Mike Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 For those of you that dont know, or maybe dont remember, many corps have pushed the boundary of DCI. Many! And they were met with equal venom at the time, but had no outlet such as DCP for the complaining. If you have the fan network, you should check out some of the following corps:Bridgemen - Not drum corps and villified by those who believed in the military heritage Cadets - The vocals, the drill, the concepts from late 70's into the early 80's. Much of what they did (and continue to do) changed the activity as we know it today and received many of the same "this is not drum corps". STAR 1993 - There were vocal BOO's for this corp. Watch the show now and say it was not a vision of the future and today would be just as well received Yes, are they doing some things different, YES. But, all forms of art go through evolution. Some work, some dont. The musical RENT was blasted by critics but became one of the most revolutionary broadway shows EVER. I would close with one thing. Remember when there were 100's of drum corps from all over the country? We are down to very few. We must support all of them so that the activity that we love does not disappear. The YOUNG PEOPLE in The Cadets should be thanked and supported and not talked about with venom. Does George push the activity to being uncomfortable? Yes, and some of the best leaders in the world do the same thing. Do they sometimes screw up? Yes. Would DCI benefit from the loss of any corps today.....NO. I love DCI. I truly do and it hurts people when you bash a youth activity that, unfortunately, is diminishing in numbers every year. We must support and we must allow people to be creative and try. Thanks for listening :-) I was around for the 1971 "drum corps died" uproar. While I was not involved in contests in the east to see / hear all the crap about The GARFIELD Cadets that Mike Davis talks about, I was witness to alot of the anti Scouts/anti Cavies roar in the mid west. There were 100's of corps for many reasons, just as there are few corps today for many reasons. The worst kid in the Cadets is by far much better than I EVER was. My only problem with ANY member of the Cadets is the fact that by being a member and paying dues / audition fees, they support directly or indirectly the person I feel has been the most outspoken to guide drum and BUGLE corps away from it's true roots of being a youth activity FOR the youth. Yes, todays Summer Honor Marching Bands International is a collection of the best marchers, musicians and dancers the field has ever seen, but it's now big business, not a youth activity for the sake of the youth. IF it was about youth, DCI would make the path to bringing new corps on line an easier road instead of making it as disfficult as possible. Just how much do the non world class corps get for performing ? Yes, growth and change will happen in anything but careful guidance and planning for the whole activity was left by the side of the road somewhere in the quest for the 10 supercorps and the courtship of the corporate sponsors. So much for the meek, God Bless the Child Thats got His Own. Yes indeed, how dare we speak ill of a youth activity that milks what it can from the youth while it hides behind a 501c3. The best thing I can say about DCI and what it has done for the activity is "Fan Network". FAN NETWORK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BD3BK2R2 Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 With all due respect, WRONG!!!Look back in history. You should rephrase that by saying "..the complaining about narration will stop." Yeah I agree, but that seems to be what most of the complaints are about. I for one think the Cadets have a smoking corps with possibly the most talented kids in drum corps. But come on, There has to be a line between marching band and drum corps. What they're doing these days is silly and i feel a little embarrassed for them. That of course is my opinion. At least all of that horrible narration took my attention away from the Blue Knights knee pop thing. Trav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinwiz Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 But come on, There has to be a line between marching band and drum corps. There is. A corps spends all summer perfecting a show. No marching band can even remotely achieve the heights that the Top 7 can provide. The talent and time available is lacking. Beyond that, they're the same. They always have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGarrett Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaddyt Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 And I just wish that a week could go by without some new person giving us this same heartfelt little speech as if it has not already been done 4236 times this year alone. It should almost be a contest like a "Spot Waldo" event. I am sure I could do a search and find at least a dozen of these same types of posts without trying too hard. 4236 times a heartfelt "spot Waldo" post has been made? Judging by the polls on this forum (and the polls are always right), there must then be 1,573,262.41 posts expressing a... slightly less positive view of the Cadets. If the few of us who can enjoy/look beyond the narration to see what the corps is doing must click through that amount of negative, hateful rhetoric (directed at whomever, which also has been said over and over ad nauseum for the past 3 to 4 years), you'll forgive my lack of sympathy for you having to read something... GASP!... positive here and there. I mean... is it honestly such a horrible thing if there are people living on this earth that like the Cadets? And is it such a bad thing for people to express their appreciation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortAndFast Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 ...they support directly or indirectly the person I feel has been the most outspoken to guide drum and BUGLE corps away from it's true roots of being a youth activity FOR the youth. George has been outspoken about it, and he's been the lightning rod for the criticism, but he is not the CAUSE of the changes. There's no way that, in today's world, hundreds of small local corps are going to flourish. Kids have plenty of alternatives in the summer, and virtually 100% of the kids who are at all interested in marching music are already participating in their school's band program. And many of those band programs are pretty darn good! All of that has nothing to do with George Hopkins and everything to do with economic and social changes in America in the last 30 years. George has been the guy who has been most vocal about how DCI should respond to these changes. But he gets exactly one vote in DCI. If a majority of corps directors and instructors were not in agreement with him, DCI wouldn't be implementing any of his proposals. It's the corps' prerogative to make these changes. If they've guessed wrong, they're the ones who will bear the consequences. If they're right, then they'll still be around in 10 years to tell everyone about it. I think you're quite correct in your description of what the activity is today, and where it's going. But at the end of the day I (and I assume you) am just some guy in the audience. If I don't find shows entertaining, I'll stop going. And, I'll admit, if every corps was presenting a program like this year's Cadets, I probably wouldn't be attending any more. But that doesn't mean that George or DCI made the wrong business decisions - maybe it was the best one of a bad bunch of options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skewerz Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 /snipI mean... is it honestly such a horrible thing if there are people living on this earth that like the Cadets? And is it such a bad thing for people to express their appreciation? the OP's original statement is fine...naive to post such at DCP maybe, but fine nonetheless...The OP's later statement, however, is as juvenile as anything anyone has ever posted in an anti-narration thread... Then, the OP's statement about "trying something new" is just plain false...it's not new. I was perfectly fine with the OP's original statement...while it was "inviting" the flames that everyone else knows are inevitable in a Cadets' thread, the OP quickly degenerated to name calling and lies... I've read the Cadets appreciation thread, and while I don't necessarily agree with everything on there, I've avoided confrontation, because that wasn't the tread to do it in. This thread, however, just begs correction... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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