idontwan2know Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 The intonation difference between Bbs and Gs is not in the intonation from horn to horn, but in how well the horn plays in tune with itself. Gs have many more bad partials that are farther out of tune than their Bb counterparts. I have played many G horns where the open notes inside the staff could not be played in tune without significant lip adjustment on at least one partial. Do Bbs have bad partials? Sure, but there are fewer of them and they are much closer to correct pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ussglassman Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 (edited) Why not just give the Bb trumpets bigger bells and bores like the G horns? Don't the modern "marching trumpets" have modifications to allow them to project more? Edited June 20, 2009 by ussglassman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
84BDsop Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 \Also, wait till some of you hear the Cadets this year...I think they're as loud as just about any G line I've ever heard. Louder than 07? Yikes! They were the loudest Bb line I've ever hear that year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j.morgus Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 Why not just give the Bb trumpets bigger bells and bores like the G horns? Don't the modern "marching trumpets" have modifications to allow them to project more? It isn't, I believe, so much bore size, as bore shape, that makes to difference between bugles and trumpets. The conical bore of the soprano bugle makes for a little less stability in the timbre, and opens up some of the inside harmonics than straight bore trumpets. This is why they were both "louder" and "wilder" sounding. And yes, more susceptible of intonation problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruckner8 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 The intonation difference between Bbs and Gs is not in the intonation from horn to horn, but in how well the horn plays in tune with itself.Gs have many more bad partials that are farther out of tune than their Bb counterparts. I have played many G horns where the open notes inside the staff could not be played in tune without significant lip adjustment on at least one partial. Do Bbs have bad partials? Sure, but there are fewer of them and they are much closer to correct pitch. OK, so after 50 years of making G bugles, no manufacturer got it right, on any instrument? Lemme guess....you play trumpet? One more thing: Please define "in tune" in your context. (hint: with the piano, or the harmonic series, or something else) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mello Dude Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 Quite honestly no brass instrument plays itself in tune and every instrument plays different to every player. If you want to just ride a horse, get a pony. If you want to ride something fast and powerful, get a mustang, just don't blame the #### horse you ride if you can't handle the outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar98 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 It seems like we are just talking to ourselves in this forum, but I'll throw in a thought. I certainly agree and empathize with those who desire bugles for straight volume. I am not an old school guy....I aged out in '98 with a bugle, but taught div III, II and World Class…the latter using Bb. You simply can spend less time working on tone quality and intonation with Bb's. You get a better product, faster. Ultimately, it's about the kids, but no one would come if the product was not good or did not improve. If you like the sound of G lines, more power to you. My mama always said, there is no accounting for taste. Soon though, all those Jr. Corps kids are going to come up the ranks to Sr. Corps and say, WTF is with this out of tune, dinosaur G thing? G horns were such an important part of our identity and history, but I don't see (or really want to) how they are going to survive. Not to put too fine a point on it, but anymore, G's are like an axe where a scalpel is needed. Playing in tune with yourself (use a tuner), and your part of the chord, makes you sound louder. Is this in question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j.morgus Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 You simply can spend less time working on tone quality and intonation with Bb's. You get a better product, faster. There's that "easy button" again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar98 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 If you think this is an easy button, it's time to get off the computer and start getting around town on your horse and buggy. A whole lot of kids I've taught deserve a little more than to be told what they did was easy. Nice argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mello Dude Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 It seems like we are just talking to ourselves in this forum, but I'll throw in a thought. I certainly agree and empathize with those who desire bugles for straight volume. I am not an old school guy....I aged out in '98 with a bugle, but taught div III, II and World Class…the latter using Bb. You simply can spend less time working on tone quality and intonation with Bb's. You get a better product, faster. Ultimately, it's about the kids, but no one would come if the product was not good or did not improve. If you like the sound of G lines, more power to you. My mama always said, there is no accounting for taste. Soon though, all those Jr. Corps kids are going to come up the ranks to Sr. Corps and say, WTF is with this out of tune, dinosaur G thing? G horns were such an important part of our identity and history, but I don't see (or really want to) how they are going to survive. Not to put too fine a point on it, but anymore, G's are like an axe where a scalpel is needed. Playing in tune with yourself (use a tuner), and your part of the chord, makes you sound louder. Is this in question? This post shows the lack of your understanding of chords AND basic brass playing. If you think this is an easy button, it's time to get off the computer and start getting around town on your horse and buggy. A whole lot of kids I've taught deserve a little more than to be told what they did was easy. Nice argument. Whip and buggy? Perhaps if they had a better teacher..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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