Hook'emCavies Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 The one that has my favorite opener is not on your list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superOOk Posted June 24, 2011 Author Share Posted June 24, 2011 The best thing Bluecoats could do would be to drop the sampled voice. It's distracting and mostly just makes people giggle. Disagree...but I think the voiceover could be more "dark". It clearly sounds like the voiceover comes from the program coordinator, Michael Gray, and it just doesn't sound quite right. But the idea is good. No offense to anyone, but if you are giggling you are a major dork and need to listen to more Radiohead. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 (edited) The best thing Bluecoats could do would be to drop the sampled voice. It's distracting and mostly just makes people giggle. The Bluecoats voice-over lyric from Creep is something that students hear, and most say, everyday in the hallways of their schools; and there is a far more vulgar word in the same song in which they also hear, and many use, on a daily basis. Also parents with small children have to deal with their small kids hearing this stuff everyday which makes it a learning experience for those children. So, to many people it was not offensive when the Bluecoats used that as a voice-over but just made them giggle. That said, adults are in charge of designing these shows for youth to perform to a family audience; and adults used to make it a point to teach youth appropriate respect in the public venue through the use of proper language. And that has become the real issue for me; youth are currently driving what is proper language not adults. Go to many of the corps rehearsals and you will hear many performers using curse words, even the most vile, out in the public venue; and the adult staff are following suit by using these phrases even over the amplified intercom system. The point is that the same argument anyone will use to defend the Bluecoats use of the “What the H” lyric in their performance can also be applied to the using the Creep lyric which uses “F” because the performance is: a) not shown on the television airways, and b) it has become common acceptance for people to slip down into the gutter instead of striving to rise above it. And if you go down the road that "this is art", well that can be applied to anything from a painting of a flower to the worst porn movie ever produced. And artists "will" push the limits; if hearing a DCI youth performance using the line "What the H" is accepted now, "What the F" or something like it will be tried in the future. Do we really want drum corps to go down that path? Edited June 24, 2011 by Stu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrillmanSop06 Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 The Bluecoats voice-over lyric from Creep is something that students hear, and most say, everyday in the hallways of their schools; and there is a far more vulgar word in the same song in which they also hear, and many use, on a daily basis. Also parents with small children have to deal with their small kids hearing this stuff everyday which makes it a learning experience for those children. So, to many people it was not offensive when the Bluecoats used that as a voice-over but just made them giggle. That said, adults are in charge of designing these shows for youth to perform to a family audience; and adults used to make it a point to teach youth appropriate respect in the public venue through the use of proper language. And that has become the real issue for me; youth are currently driving what is proper language not adults. Go to many of the corps rehearsals and you will hear many performers using curse words, even the most vile, out in the public venue; and the adult staff are following suit by using these phrases even over the amplified intercom system. The point is that the same argument anyone will use to defend the Bluecoats use of the “What the H” lyric in their performance can also be applied to the using the Creep lyric which uses “F” because the performance is: a) not shown on the television airways, and b) it has become common acceptance for people to slip down into the gutter instead of striving to rise above it. And if you go down the road that "this is art", well that can be applied to anything from a painting of a flower to the worst porn movie ever produced. And artists "will" push the limits; if hearing a DCI youth performance using the line "What the H" is accepted now, "What the F" or something like it will be tried in the future. Do we really want drum corps to go down that path? IF a drum corps were to drop the F bomb in a narrative portion of the show, it would only be because that word has become publicly and legally acceptable; that's for society to decide, not drum corps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Murray Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 Who is to say what is "acceptable" language? One could say that it's just people being "prudes". But that is an entirely different matter. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stryfe Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 (edited) If hearing a DCI youth performance using the line "What the H" is accepted now, "What the F" or something like it will be tried in the future. No, it won't. Slippery slope arguments are extremely tenuous and unlikely to be true, especially ones as distant as the kind of connection you're trying to make. If "Creep" can be played on the radios during the day time (the offending portion, anyway), it can be played as part of a drum corps show. Hell is not real swear anyway -- even DCP doesn't censor it, and DCP censors some pretty #### stupid stuff. No one needs to be censoring any corps. They know very well what they can and can't get away with -- the word "Hell" doesn't even really make anyone over the age of 10 giggle anyway, and for those under the age of 10, I'm sure they'll manage. Most people allow their children to watch fairly mature movies that are considered film classics, despite perhaps having a strong word or two. If you're a parent and you're REALLY that worried about your child's virgin ears, I'd be more worried about what the other showgoers are saying than the corps' monitors. In fact, Hell is a key word to explaining what SCV's show is about. :P Edited June 24, 2011 by Stryfe 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgarside83 Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 I don't see what the hell the problem is............. jkjkjk 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAW Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 I think it might be a moot point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stryfe Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 (edited) I think it might be a moot point. It really is. No one's gonna force the Bluecoats to change anything. Now, back to the topic at hand... having seen the Bluecoats show now, I disagree that those changes are necessary (the ones that OP mentioned, not the censoring). Re: the quadraphonic section, I like it and think it should stay just as it is. It's different, and it's uncomfortable on purpose, because that's more or less what the show is about; brave new things, braving the uncomfortable sense of disorientation, etc. Maybe I'm out of the ordinary slightly as I'm a contemporary composer and am used to far, FAR weirder things than this, but just from the stereo replication of my speakers I can tell that it's going to be a unique experience. It also A) doesn't last that long (30 seconds, maybe) and B) is necessary to setup the whole rest of the ballad. It's gorgeous and I applaud Bluecoats for not holding the audience's hand through every part of their show. If anything needs to be done to the Bluecoats' show, it's visual cleaning, some high brass attention, and to flesh out a lot of the moments toward the end of the show (which I'm sure are new, as the guard doesn't even have work in the video I watched). Basically, the things I think Bloo needs to do are things they are guaranteed to do - clean and finish the show. I'm not worried about them. I can't wait to see this show live. Also, I would add the opener to my list of favorite openers this year... however, it's not "Creep" that does it for me, it's the really eerie section before it. So maybe we should just let the Bluecoats do what they think is best, I think they have some pretty good people working on it. Edited June 24, 2011 by Stryfe 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phirebird Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 Dear OP, Welcome to the interwebs. Please construct a proper thread and poll with more then 5 choices and come back to us. Until then, this can't be taken seriously and we won't even read it. Excelsior, /dcp/ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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