skywhopper Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 (edited) To be clear, DCI says the number "does not include thousands of corps and staff members who entered the stadium after performances with wristbands or staff/VIP credentials." But that's not the same as "paid attendance". Still, whatever this number is, it appears to be the same they gave us last year, so things are comparable. Prelims: 6,903 -> 6,647, down 3.8% Semis: 12,351 -> 12,027, down 2.6% Finals: 17,363 -> 17,820, up 2.6% Total: 36,617 -> 36,494, down 0.3% Cinecast: 38,722 -> 40,000, up 3.3% Finals numbers for the past several years: (ATT = "attendance" as reported by DCI, tix = "Tickets sold" as reported by DCI; "attendance" will always be greater than "tickets sold", for example in 2002, DCI reported attendance of around 26,000 on 20,230 tickets) 1994: 24,513 tix * 1995: 19,100 tix 1996: 13,771 tix 1997: 13,773 tix 1998: 12,693 tix 1999: 19,931 tix 2000: 18,423 tix 2001: 16,406 tix 2002: 20,230 tix 2003: 18,865 tix 2004: 22,047 tix 2005: 20,542 ATT 2006: 21,232 ATT 2007: 24,309 tix 2008: 20,534 ATT 2009: 17,865 ATT 2010: 15,900 ATT (estimated based on percentages given) 2011: 17,363 ATT 2012: 17,820 ATT * 1994 number as reported in Drum Corps World. All other numbers directly from dci.org. Edited August 16, 2012 by skywhopper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skywhopper Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Also possibly of interest: Big Loud and Live numbers, all per dci.org. Tickets/# of theaters: 2004: 17,603 / 44 2005: 18,363 / 69 2006: 22,715 / 104 2007: 22,956 / 116 2008: 33,955 / 343 2009: 37,570 / 398 2010: 39,143 / 494 2011: 38,722 / 543 2012: 40,000 / 606 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Powell Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 (edited) Also possibly of interest: Big Loud and Live numbers, all per dci.org. Tickets/# of theaters: 2004: 17,603 / 44 2005: 18,363 / 69 2006: 22,715 / 104 2007: 22,956 / 116 2008: 33,955 / 343 2009: 37,570 / 398 2010: 39,143 / 494 2011: 38,722 / 543 2012: 40,000 / 606 If you use the 2004 number as a baseline 2012 should have 242,441 The average viewer per theater went from 400 viewers to 66. Something is not right with these numbers. Theaters will start dropping the show if they are only selling 66 tickets. That is not very much popcorn and coke for the amount of time the audience is killing one of the theater halls. Edited August 16, 2012 by Kevin Powell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillygwm Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Also possibly of interest: Big Loud and Live numbers, all per dci.org. Tickets/# of theaters: 2004: 17,603 / 44 2005: 18,363 / 69 2006: 22,715 / 104 2007: 22,956 / 116 2008: 33,955 / 343 2009: 37,570 / 398 2010: 39,143 / 494 2011: 38,722 / 543 2012: 40,000 / 606 That's actually a bit distressing. The average number of fans per screen decreased from 400 in 2004 to 66 this year. I'm not a theatre manager and maybe it's OK to get 66 people into a 5 hour screening on an off night, paying twice the average ticket price, buying popcorn etc. But if we assume that there is a large deviation to this number (KoP certainly had 250 or more, so somewhere else may have had 10) I'd expect the number of screens to retrench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillygwm Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 (edited) The average viewer per theater went from 400 viewers to 66. Something is not right with these numbers. The numbers are correct. If you look at the original 44 screens, that means people are driving great distances to see the cinecast. Maybe 1-2 screens for a large state with nothing in some places. I know, in my area, there were 3 screens within a 10 mile radius this year and a few more if I didn't mind driving 1/2 hour. It's just a matter of overcapacity. Edited August 16, 2012 by Phillygwm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 If you use the 2004 number as a baseline 2012 should have 242,441 The average viewer per theater went from 400 viewers to 66. Something is not right with these numbers. One thing is that the geographic area served by each of the theaters in 2004 would have been much larger...and more exclusive...than 2012. For example, it used to be that the only place to see the show here in central NJ was in North Brunswick. Now there are three theaters within a 20 minute drive of my house...NB, East Windsor and Hamilton. While the total geographic area covered hass expanded, there would be a lot of overlap where the theaters are fighting for the same people. I'm not sure the audience per theater is a number that makes much of a diference. I'm just happy they are drawing the numbers they are, in the theater and at the show live. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chadwick Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 That's actually a bit distressing. The average number of fans per screen decreased from 400 in 2004 to 66 this year. I'm not a theatre manager and maybe it's OK to get 66 people into a 5 hour screening on an off night, paying twice the average ticket price, buying popcorn etc. But if we assume that there is a large deviation to this number (KoP certainly had 250 or more, so somewhere else may have had 10) I'd expect the number of screens to retrench. On any given Thursday night I don't think 66 people at one screen in a theater is a bad thing. I saw this year's prelims at a theater off I-85 in suburban Atlanta. I'd say it was only 40% full or so but those 40%, mostly high school kids, were buying up candy, sodas and popcorn like crazy (and the impromtu delay during Bluecoats and SCV only helped). I was very impressed with the maturity of the crowd - no rude, stupid comments, quiet during the shows, lots of clapping when shows finished. They added another theater just up the Interstate for this show which is more in the burbs so I'm sure that one was more crowded and took away from some of the people that would have come to the one I was at. I'd be curious to see how many viewers were at the Anchorage, AK theater I'd also be curious to see what DCI's attendance projections were for staying at LOS and if they are on target. It will be tough for them to drastically increase the attendance IMO by staying in the same city. I think the motivation to go to Finals for some was also to travel and visit the host city. There is only so much you can do in Indy year after year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortAndFast Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 http://www.dci.org/news/view.cfm?news_id=777ac5ef-235a-4f86-896d-70392b372660 Nearly 18,000 PAID at Finals, it clearly states that credentialed/wristbanded attendance was over the top of that. 12,000 for Semis is pretty nice as well. Over 40,000 in the theatres for Quarterfinals also! Coupled with record crowd in Atlanta and at Open Class Finals in Michigan City... Nice job DCI! So just to put this a bit in perspective, the "historic" attendance at Lucas Oil is less than every other finals of the last 19 years except possibly for 96-98 Orlando. If DCI can continue to increase finals attendance by 2.6% a year, they'll match Pasadena attendance on the 20th anniversary of the Indy deal in 2028. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortAndFast Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 On any given Thursday night I don't think 66 people at one screen in a theater is a bad thing. I saw this year's prelims at a theater off I-85 in suburban Atlanta. I'd say it was only 40% full or so but those 40%, mostly high school kids, were buying up candy, sodas and popcorn like crazy (and the impromtu delay during Bluecoats and SCV only helped). I was very impressed with the maturity of the crowd - no rude, stupid comments, quiet during the shows, lots of clapping when shows finished. They added another theater just up the Interstate for this show which is more in the burbs so I'm sure that one was more crowded and took away from some of the people that would have come to the one I was at. In Portland we probably had 75 or so at the theater. But there was NOBODY else there for the other 9 screens - people don't buy a lot of movie tickets on a Thursday afternoon. So I'd guess DCI was better than anything else the theater manager could have shown in that timeslot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Powell Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 (edited) I was going to mention the Thursday night aspect - I was thinking Saturday not Thursday. Tues and Wednesday are the true dead days. 66 per screen is a number they need to watch because it could become an issue. 40000 is a good number but it is spread thin. (5 hours would equal about three movie showing) Edited August 16, 2012 by Kevin Powell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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