Jeff Ream Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 To be fair, very few people bother with show reviews in the DCA forums anymore, because it's not worth the attacks you get if you're not all sunshine and lollipops about certain corps. It's a bummer, to be sure. spot on. too many staff/members/fans/honks/alumni get really nasty if you dont praise their team. I can't count how many nastygrams I have received over the years 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 John, your post is making me think. Some folks here would say that's not a good thing, but I say it is. I need to head to work, where I'll think more about the issue and my personal take on it to keep from crying from boredom. I'll get back later. no offense W, but getting emailed saying someone plans to kick your ### the next time they see you isn't a good thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigW Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 No, it's not good that someone wanted to kick your ###, Jeff. I dealt with some of it here as well, though not as bad. Eh, I have a thick skin on stuff like that, and I'm old, an ornery cuss of a Baritone player, and meaner than people might think if I got cornered. I have a guess some folks know this and haven't threatened me. One part of the problem is some of the gi-normous egos that are around in this activity. To do well, you have to be extremely confident in your ability, skill, knowledge, and training. The problem is when you think that no one else might know something you don't or have a better day than you did. Or.... when you're being fed a constant line from staff and or management that no one else is as good, or might be as good, or that your team has the only one correct and true solution to the game and that no one else seems to understand that, especially those idiot judges. Some folks are like this, and one thing they don't get is that they're big targets- opponents like to beat them and honk them off and send them into tirades... Another issue is the bubble universe the corps live in. They're so focused on their world and their situation that some of them forget that jeez, there are other teams out there that might be as focused, talented, capable, and working just as hard. C'mon, no one else is as cool! Sometimes you have to get our head out of your own room and look outside. Another issue is that some folks don't like anyone publicly calling out issues about their team that are also (and to me obviously) being called out by the panels. It undermines the narrative that they're getting rooked by the stupid judging panels that don't understand that their team walks on water. (inside joke there with the ex-Westshore crew...) Or, they don't realize those issues actually exist- and that they believe people are making them up because they don't have the ears and eyes to see and hear the problems. A lot of the issues are very subtle and not easily seen or heard by folks just showing up to see a contest or by Mom and Dad seeing their kid perform and they never played an instrument or spun.. Heck, I can think of a certain Band Director that didn't seem to understand what a tear is. I swear to God that group almost ripped a cosmic tear into a new universe it was so constant and bad. As for me and what I write- look- everyone works hard, writers like John, Chris, you, and I get that. We've been on the field killing ourselves or off the field killing ourselves teaching enough to know how hard it is to do this well and respect and appreciate it. The real secret is something that elite racing teams like Richard Childress and Corvette Racing have figured out. It's a given everyone works hard, everyone has talent and desire. The problem is trying to find the right team of talented and hard working people who can work together successfully to win. I could do a performance write-up. My notes are usually filled with details about gack number 3 at Letter B set 44. But, other folks do it better, and I'm not paid to do that nor do I have to go into critique, I'm there to have fun that night and I pay to get in. I'll let the panel sweat it out on the details of how the Bari on Side 1, 47 yard line overplayed the top line F and wrecked the effect. My big concern is whether the show is enjoyable to watch- what's fun, interesting, and fascinating about it, and whether I'd want to see that show again. Thankfully, I can be positive about just about everything in that way, and when I'm not, I have a 3 strike rule when a corps doesn't seem to understand something before I light them up for it. Maybe I'm very open-minded about what I like, I don't know... In a couple of particular cases, I also figure the corps knows they have serious problems- why kill them even more than they're already getting killed publicly and getting killed by their scores? I figure I can say there are some issues and not give them both barrels. They have enough to worry about. As for folks wanting to kick Jeff's ###.... that's a sign they can't come up with any legit and intelligent argument as to why their beloved corps didn't win. That's sad. I think I can say for Jeff and myself- if anyone wants to have a smart, thoughtful and serious conversation about something they disagree with in a review we wrote, we'd love to have it here. Learning takes place. Everyone grows. It's late for me. Time to konk out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 the problem is while some cannot look objectively in the mirror, eventually, people don't want to deal with the #### dished out. Trust me, I could name names. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbriggs Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 those sound like the same folk who hoot and holler every 15 seconds during a show from the top center aisle steps. GRRrrrr sorry, off-topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigW Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 those sound like the same folk who hoot and holler every 15 seconds during a show from the top center aisle steps. GRRrrrr sorry, off-topic. Believe me, when they do that the panel is sometimes thinking "Awwww, c'mooonnnn, that wasn't that good, man..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Holland Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 those sound like the same folk who hoot and holler every 15 seconds during a show from the top center aisle steps. GRRrrrr sorry, off-topic. I sat behind that jerk-rocket at Roachester in 2014. Dude had a beer in each hand, one under his seat, and one spilled. Wreck of a human being. the entire show drunkenly shouting to the person next to him "this ain't drum corps" and then when one certain corps came on "they're goin weeen!" "woooooooooo" while spilling another beer. and then right back to "this is stoopid" with the next corps. man-child. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Haring Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 I sat behind that jerk-rocket at Roachester in 2014. Dude had a beer in each hand, one under his seat, and one spilled. Wreck of a human being. the entire show drunkenly shouting to the person next to him "this ain't drum corps" Gotta love the folks who spend good money to attend a drum corps show... and then complain nonstop about how it "isn't drum corps anymore." Like their attendance will magically turn back the clock to 1970. It would be like me going to a NASCAR race and complaining the entire time about how much I prefer watching the horses run. LOL. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigW Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 I sat behind that jerk-rocket at Roachester in 2014. Dude had a beer in each hand, one under his seat, and one spilled. Wreck of a human being. the entire show drunkenly shouting to the person next to him "this ain't drum corps" and then when one certain corps came on "they're goin weeen!" "woooooooooo" while spilling another beer. and then right back to "this is stoopid" with the next corps. man-child. Sounds like a Jeff Gordon fan Dad and I had to deal with at Richmond. We later thanked the VA State Trooper that stopped him from trying to start a big fight with his Brother in Law. He pretty much quietly talked to this half drunk guy like he was in Kindergarten said he'd been very bad and if he continued he'd be escorted out. He sat like a 4 year old in time out for the rest of the race. I go to Indycar and TUDOR races now. MUCH better crowd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbriggs Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 I sat behind that jerk-rocket at Roachester in 2014. Dude had a beer in each hand, one under his seat, and one spilled. Wreck of a human being. the entire show drunkenly shouting to the person next to him "this ain't drum corps" and then when one certain corps came on "they're goin weeen!" "woooooooooo" while spilling another beer. and then right back to "this is stoopid" with the next corps. man-child. while I agree those folk are a PITA, I was referring to staff critters; who rush up to sit/stand on the cement steps top-center. while your PITA is there for the whole show, it seems each corps has their own cheering crew, so it's kinda a wash there <sigh> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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