Crown Swagger Dad Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 iot is an average of all the regionals.SA Atlanta Allentown I guess that would make sense. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmroth1 Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 Good job Colts. Closing in.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealthwolf Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 It's the oddest thing. I've been a huge fan of SCV for years without even knowing it. I didn't realize how much I loved their shows till I looked at my Itunes today and the shows I've collected on there over the years. And they are on there more than anyone else. lol. I honestly didn't even know how much I've enjoyed them all these years. And Crown? My home corp! It's beyond fantastic to see them hitting their stride and truly coming into their own. Fantastic job you guys. Can't wait to see you (as well as everyone else) in Indy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trumpetcam Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 I think Dan should resign after this season. They had Adam Sage in colorguard last season as well and did not get hin signed. Failure.Dan has done great things...amazing things for PR. Without him and his brother...where would the corps be? But, it is also important to recognize when your time is done. And for Dan...as PC, we may be quickly approaching this time. Drill designer got lucky last year...but is clearly not of Finalist quality. And letting Sage go....shame. Yeah, those are all PC decisions...at least for most corps. So, how does this season not lie at Dan's door? Phantom strikes me as a corps that still hires based on people that are alumni and people that they feel fits the mold of the organization. It's along the lines of many corps that have alumni at many of the top levels in the corps, but maybe not always the most qualified. I think with the music area, they have a slam dunk in staff and will be a consistent top 3 music ensemble ever year as long as Paul and JD are around. It just seems that in the visual area, they hire comfortable staff that may not be as talented, but are easier to work with. This is no slam against the drill writer or guard caption, but there are way more qualified folks who they could have hired after winning a DCU Championship. I think regardless of how talented Adam Sage or Jamey Thompson was, they simple wanted someone they could get along with better, as talented or not. Unfortunately, it;s part of the reason why PR will never be a year in year out Championship contender. They don't seek out the absolute best, but settle for others. I feel they would rather avoid working with talented, but difficult people in favor of easy going staff. You may get lucky, but you may have a 8th place year as well. Look at the history from say, 86 till now. It;s pretty clear. Why does BD, Cavies and Cadets win consistently? Because they hire the absolute best staff you can get and retain them at all costs long term. It's called how to run a top level business. You get the best and keep them happy so they stay. And you learn how to work through the personality difficulties because that's how great businesses are run and talent outweighs ego. Just my thought and great people at Phantom. I want to see them do as well as anyone, but the staff hiring and firing philosophy may need to be adjusted if they truly want to be a trophy contender every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimedrummer Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 You are pretty amazing to be able to judge all facets of a drum corps show....Fact of the matter is... Boston and Blue Stars may have a better visual product (well, there is no MAY about it...they flat out do), but last I checked, DCI judges its corps on both visual and musical products. And no matter what you think, PR has been consistently beating Blue Stars and BAC in music. From everything I have seen and heard with my own two ears, I'd have to say it is a deserved position, musically. So now the real question is....is their visual bad enough to make you (and others) overlook the other important components of a drum corps show? Their percussion is great. Their hornline is fabulous. PR has been losing out to BAC in the areas it deserves to lose....visual design and guard. And losing pretty hard, I might say...half a point down in GE Visual, for example. I know that we are a visually-driven medium these days, but you can't just judge one facet of a corps' show, you have to judge them all. No offense, but...it is pretty #### stupid to say that DCI won't "let" them fall lower than 7th. Sheer idiocy. You're saying DCI is going around and telling all the judges (including judges who marched in BAC and Blue Stars, perhaps, or in general judges who have no allegiance to PR) that they need to adjust their individual numbers, or they will sleep with the fishies? Think about the ridiculousness of what you are saying. You conspiracy theory buffs really tick me off. I wonder what school system raised you all to resort to this type of thinking when 30 seconds of some serious analytical thought would show you that a conspiracy like the one you are hinting at is not only impractical, but pretty #### illogical as well. DCI would have a better time marketing the fact that drum corps are so competitive that you can win a title one year and finish as low as 9th the next. The ONLY thing that might save PR from the jaws of BS, BAC, (and maybe BK and/or the Gmen), is the fact that they play and drum. IMO, all the corps I mentioned are better programed. Visually, PR is a wreck. Maybe someday the powers at PR will figure out that visual is as important as music, but I wouldn't hold my breath. How do you get rid of an Adam Sage after winning it all? Makes no sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2000Cadet Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 Its almost as if there going, "Sup Everyone, yeah we're For real, and as you can tell We want a Championship, So do you believe us NOW" Yeah and everyone else believes them and will checkmate them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodakphan Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 You are pretty amazing to be able to judge all facets of a drum corps show....Fact of the matter is... Boston and Blue Stars may have a better visual product (well, there is no MAY about it...they flat out do), but last I checked, DCI judges its corps on both visual and musical products. And no matter what you think, PR has been consistently beating Blue Stars and BAC in music. From everything I have seen and heard with my own two ears, I'd have to say it is a deserved position, musically. So now the real question is....is their visual bad enough to make you (and others) overlook the other important components of a drum corps show? Their percussion is great. Their hornline is fabulous. PR has been losing out to BAC in the areas it deserves to lose....visual design and guard. And losing pretty hard, I might say...half a point down in GE Visual, for example. I know that we are a visually-driven medium these days, but you can't just judge one facet of a corps' show, you have to judge them all. No offense, but...it is pretty #### stupid to say that DCI won't "let" them fall lower than 7th. Sheer idiocy. You're saying DCI is going around and telling all the judges (including judges who marched in BAC and Blue Stars, perhaps, or in general judges who have no allegiance to PR) that they need to adjust their individual numbers, or they will sleep with the fishies? Think about the ridiculousness of what you are saying. You conspiracy theory buffs really tick me off. I wonder what school system raised you all to resort to this type of thinking when 30 seconds of some serious analytical thought would show you that a conspiracy like the one you are hinting at is not only impractical, but pretty #### illogical as well. DCI would have a better time marketing the fact that drum corps are so competitive that you can win a title one year and finish as low as 9th the next. Thank you! I couldn't write what you wrote in response to Wesley (though I wanted to!) because the smoke from my ears was blinding me after reading his post. I appreciate the sanity you brought to this discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohwiseone Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 (edited) Phantom might look like #### Visually every few years, but i will still listen to their hornline and not complain Edited August 2, 2009 by ohwiseone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohwiseone Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 (edited) double post Edited August 2, 2009 by ohwiseone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver_King Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 so can we really compare since it was a different day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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