Canadacorps Posted May 25, 2010 Share Posted May 25, 2010 So, I know so much conversation has taken place about this proposal, but here is one thing I haven't seen directly addressed yet: Open Class Corps (All other corps not listed in the AAA-AA-A class. ) Under the guidance and care of the regional association! They can add into a show and they can attend the champs but there is no real service offered. This is a change –a clear change and a clear decision to confine our efforts to a specific group of organizations. If this proposal passes, what are we supposed to tell these kids? 7th Regiment Blue Devils C Blue Saints City Sound Forte Genesis Gold Impulse Incognito Legends Les Stentors Music City Oregon Crusaders Platinum Racine Scouts Raiders Revolution Spartans Spirit of Newark/New Jersey Spokane Thunder Velvet Knights I suppose someone will go up to these corps and say, "Oh by the way, we're trying to appoint this new regional association that will control your destiny now, if they feel like it. Hope you guys have all your ducks in a row, cause you're on your own!" So I'm assuming they won't want to waste any space on the DCI website listing these guys, since they're not "Worthy" of bringing in lots of Moola for the World Class guys. Too much effort I suppose, lets just ignore these 21 corps. Who cares about those kids? Or the fact that they comprise almost HALF of the remaining Drum Corps associated with the DCI Circuit? They can audition with all the rest of the band kids to be part of World Class, or sit on the sidelines, right? If I'm reading this wrong, I would LOVE for someone to set me straight, cause this is REALLY beginning to bother me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaddyt Posted May 25, 2010 Share Posted May 25, 2010 I think you completely missed my point.NO, of course I wasn't being serious about giving the $ to other corps. Forgot the sarcasm button. But you take away any amount of $ from smaller corps when the G7 can raise a heck of a lot more.... please tell me, how is that right? I see this quickly becoming some "socialism/wealth redistribution" debate here shortly. So the G7 corps should just stop raising money?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom&Phitch Posted May 25, 2010 Share Posted May 25, 2010 I keep hearing about how the stands are empty at the beginning of shows, and only fill up once the big guys come on. I would guess that many of those empty seats get filled with the performers that just came off the field - at least that's how it was back when I marched. Being in A-60 and on the same tour as some of the Top-12 meant that we got to see their shows nearly every night.Once I aged out and started paying to attend these shows, I made sure to get my $$ worth and watch all the shows. I can see people hanging out or just not showing up until later if you have a regional or at Semis, but a typical show that has less than 10 corps is probably going to have most of the paying customers in the stadium if not their seats when the show starts. Yes there are exceptions. Yes there are the people that pay $25 for a ticket and go watch warm-ups for 2 hours until "their" corps goes on the field. My point is the fat part of the bell curve is already inside when the competition begins. i dont know for sure but im going to disagree - the reason they got rid of retreat was so that the corps who go on earlier can leave to get a move on to their next site/show since they had to show up at the competition earlier than the later corps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorpsFan. Posted May 25, 2010 Share Posted May 25, 2010 you can't prove that. Sure you can. Take away 3 nights each week from the calendar for potential shows (performance fees and souvie sales), put them in a position of having to find (and probably pay for) their own housing on these nights, and take away what little they received in share payments or support from DCI, and you've just robbed the poor so the G7 get wealthier. Disprove that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2000Cadet Posted May 25, 2010 Share Posted May 25, 2010 (edited) YEA's mission statement: "TO SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT OF LIFE SKILLS IN YOUTH THROUGH THEIR PARTICIPATION IN THE PERFORMING ARTS. "BD's mission statement: "Music and the performing arts connect youth with their culture through a common language crossing generational, social, and racial barriers. The activities that a young person pursues influence the type of person he or she becomes. The experience that comes with participation in a performing arts organization builds discipline, character, pride, and self-confidence at a crucial age and forms the springboard to even greater achievements in adulthood The Blue Devils Parents' Association performing arts programs permanently enrich the lives of young people through a commitment to youth development and performance excellence while providing enjoyment for our local community and audiences worldwide. " Crown's mission statement: "Developing lifelong excellence in young people through a superior and challenging performing arts education experience." Not ticket sales. Not audience numbers. An experience for young people. The proposal suggests taking that experience away from hundreds of current and thousands of future Open Class members (which you're ok with, and I consider disgusting, for the record) in the name of selling more tickets. You're seriously ok with that? Huh? I can't even comprehend that. You can quote mission statements all you want, but from what I gather, the activityi is losing money. No amount of sugarcoating is going to raise the money they need to keep the activity alive unless they make some changes. Maybe not all of those changes in that proposal, but something needs to be done. Edited May 25, 2010 by 2000Cadet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted May 25, 2010 Share Posted May 25, 2010 a And who has been running the whole fan base thing the whole time? It was DCI, not the corps, that have been running the big events. DCI has failed to make money. Sure for the past years we've gotten nothing but sunshine and good news from DCI. They're a business selling a product. What business publicizes their failure?So the big corps, the ones who actually have some real weight in bringing in new people to the activity as well as keeping the old ones have decided to call DCI out on it and take charge of some changes. "They" (the G7) did blow the cardinal rule. and who is DCI? the corps are. if DCI failed to make money, it's because DCI...aka the corps...made decisions that chased off people. if we get sunshine from DCI, it's because the corps told them to spout the sunshine. thats what you're missing...the DCI office doesnt do anything without approval from the corps. the corps made all the rules changes. the DCI office put the spin on it at their directive. these guys want to ##### about Indy...well they are the dumb ####s that voted for it. without the corps saying yay or nay, the DCI office does nothing...so really, the corps are at fault, because if they dont ok it, it doesnt happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted May 25, 2010 Share Posted May 25, 2010 Yes, there is more to drum corps than fans, but FANS help bring in the money, and those FANS seem to be going out to shows in droves to see the higher-placing corps. It's a sad reality, but it's happening. I've experienced it when I marched in those lower placing corps, and have seen it when I've attended shows. Hey T, you know that pic that we both love? It's not been showing up in your posts for several days now. Did you know? Not that agree with what you're saying; it's that I can't see your picture any more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2000Cadet Posted May 25, 2010 Share Posted May 25, 2010 Hey T, you know that pic that we both love? It's not been showing up in your posts for several days now. Did you know?Not that agree with what you're saying; it's that I can't see your picture any more! What??? What happened to it? I can see it...HELP!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted May 25, 2010 Share Posted May 25, 2010 Good god there are more straw men in this thread then a corn field. It's actually kind of amusing. well we'll let you think you're amusing. many of us have been around long enough to sadly see ourselves saying "we told you so" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom&Phitch Posted May 25, 2010 Share Posted May 25, 2010 Sure you can. Take away 3 nights each week from the calendar for potential shows (performance fees and souvie sales), put them in a position of having to find (and probably pay for) their own housing on these nights, and take away what little they received in share payments or support from DCI, and you've just robbed the poor so the G7 get wealthier.Disprove that! seeing as my reply was to fundraising i have no comment since your reply isn't about fundraising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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