Hurricanes Color Guard

[GUARDLING]

Also, looking at the recap, the Hurricanes took first in "Achievement" by a tenth. That goes right along with what people saw. What they took second in was "Composition," by two-tenths. That was the crucial difference between the two guards.

whens its that close its nothing more than a subjective opinion ..same with GE...members need to also know this as much as it may sting or even not be accurate...still no excuse for un professional behavior in public\I would almost bet for those fans who witnessed this if the guard handled it better there would have been posts here how they should have won.......tenths lost in polularity and thats worst than 1 judges opinion

Edited September 18, 2011 by GUARDLING

[JoeDz]

Without "ticks" to count, a judge has to look at the COMPOSITION of the area and say "this guard composition is .1, .2, etc better than that guard." Then the judge looks at EXECUTION of that show and says the same.

It sounds like the Hurcs' guard was way ahead of everyone in the early season, but others caught up. In the case of MBI, they ALMOST (0.1) caught up in execution. However, the Hurcs' composition was exceeded by MBI by 0.2, making up the difference, plus 0.1 left for a spread.

It appears that the color guard judge applied the same principles that a boxing judge does under the "10-point must" system. The winner of a round gets 10 points, the loser 9, unless it is lopsided, then 8.

There are two parts to a color guard score....Hurcs and MBI split.....but MBI was more effective than Hurcs in their stronger component. And since the opinion was rendered by a judge, it's more than an opinion, it's the score and final decision. It is the only opinion that counts. It is the only opinion that appears on the DCA caption RECAP sheet.

.....and, it takes nothing away from the Hurcs guard or their season, just as the Bucs have nothing taken from them or their season. MBI impressed the judges more in that performance.

Joe

[GUARDLING]

Without "ticks" to count, a judge has to look at the COMPOSITION of the area and say "this guard composition is .1, .2, etc better than that guard." Then the judge looks at EXECUTION of that show and says the same.

It sounds like the Hurcs' guard was way ahead of everyone in the early season, but others caught up. In the case of MBI, they ALMOST (0.1) caught up in execution. However, the Hurcs' composition was exceeded by MBI by 0.2, making up the difference, plus 0.1 left for a spread.

It appears that the color guard judge applied the same principles that a boxing judge does under the "10-point must" system. The winner of a round gets 10 points, the loser 9, unless it is lopsided, then 8.

There are two parts to a color guard score....Hurcs and MBI split.....but MBI was more effective than Hurcs in their stronger component. And since the opinion was rendered by a judge, it's more than an opinion, it's the score and final decision. It is the only opinion that counts. It is the only opinion that appears on the DCA caption RECAP sheet.

.....and, it takes nothing away from the Hurcs guard or their season, just as the Bucs have nothing taken from them or their season. MBI impressed the judges more in that performance.

Joe

youre right its the only opinion that gets a score but either way it is still subjective in all areas and thats fine so is GE

Just for the record to the tick system was just as subjective...just a bigger hot mess....lol

Edited September 18, 2011 by GUARDLING

[pagentryfan]

Without "ticks" to count, a judge has to look at the COMPOSITION of the area and say "this guard composition is .1, .2, etc better than that guard." Then the judge looks at EXECUTION of that show and says the same.

It sounds like the Hurcs' guard was way ahead of everyone in the early season, but others caught up. In the case of MBI, they ALMOST (0.1) caught up in execution. However, the Hurcs' composition was exceeded by MBI by 0.2, making up the difference, plus 0.1 left for a spread.

It appears that the color guard judge applied the same principles that a boxing judge does under the "10-point must" system. The winner of a round gets 10 points, the loser 9, unless it is lopsided, then 8.

There are two parts to a color guard score....Hurcs and MBI split.....but MBI was more effective than Hurcs in their stronger component. And since the opinion was rendered by a judge, it's more than an opinion, it's the score and final decision. It is the only opinion that counts. It is the only opinion that appears on the DCA caption RECAP sheet.

.....and, it takes nothing away from the Hurcs guard or their season, just as the Bucs have nothing taken from them or their season. MBI impressed the judges more in that performance.

Joe

I havef also been noticing that the judging in DCA (specifically the guard caption) has been really focusing on how well a group portrays a theme. Reading won the caption in 2010 with the Rome theme approach as well as exceptional spinning, and it looks like MBI took the same approach this year. The viking theme was very prevalent in their 2011 show along win with exceptional spinning and took the caption. After reflecting on the HUrricane's show this year, aside from a suit like uniform and a briefcase prop, I thought the show was just a show. Well done, but nothing that stuck out in the way of themeing. Some will disagree with me on this, but I was more entertained by Reading, MBI and Empire's productions because they were in fact that...a production!

[LegalEagle50]

Honestly, I was working with this corps for the last month, and saw or heard NOTHING like what is being described in these posts. The staff was nothing but professional and I cannot say that I heard much complaining at all. I was actually on retreat but back by the horn line, so I didnt see any bad conduct. Of course they were disappointed but I didnt see or hear the stuff that was being mentioned here at all.

Donny

Unfortunately Donnie ~ these posts are accurate.

[Kamarag]

After reflecting on the HUrricane's show this year, aside from a suit like uniform and a briefcase prop, I thought the show was just a show. Well done, but nothing that stuck out in the way of themeing. Some will disagree with me on this, but I was more entertained by Reading, MBI and Empire's productions because they were in fact that...a production!

I don't think it was so much the 'complete production' thing as it was the fact that unlike the corps you cited above, the Hurricanes brought nothing new to the table. Their Gershwin show was fairly pedestrian, an almost generic take on subject matter we've all heard a thousand times. If you are going to choose music that's been played so much, do something new and exciting with it...something original. Or, better yet, if you want to do Gershwin, use music we haven't heard. I would have killed to hear Cuban Overture on the field. But instead we get the same old rehash of Rhapsody and Concerto in F and Porgy & Bess, played exactly the same way it's always done.

At least with Reading's version of the Mambo and MBI's take on Mingus, we got something very different. It was really refreshing.

As for the guard's behavior at retreat, I place at least some blame on the culture of color guard today. While I really love indoor guard and influence it's brought to the field from a design standpoint, I absolutely detest the way most circuits (TIA and WGI included, among many) allow retreat at their championships to be conducted. Full groups with plastic toys, glitter bombs, blowing bubbles...you know the drill. Yea, maybe it's fun for them, but it's classless when it makes it's way to the drum corps field.

Edited September 18, 2011 by Kamarag

[GUARDLING]

I don't think it was so much the 'complete production' thing as it was the fact that unlike the corps you cited above, the Hurricanes brought nothing new to the table. Their Gershwin show was fairly pedestrian, an almost generic take on subject matter we've all heard a thousand times. If you are going to choose music that's been played so much, do something new and exciting with it...something original. Or, better yet, if you want to do Gershwin, use music we haven't heard. I would have killed to hear Cuban Overture on the field. But instead we get the same old rehash of Rhapsody and Concerto in F and Porgy & Bess, played exactly the same way it's always done.

At least with Reading's version of the Mambo and MBI's take on Mingus, we got something very different. It was really refreshing.

As for the guard's behavior at retreat, I place at least some blame on the culture of color guard today. While I really love indoor guard and influence it's brought to the field from a design standpoint, I absolutely detest the way most circuits (TIA and WGI included, among many) allow retreat at their championships to be conducted. Full groups with plastic toys, glitter bombs, blowing bubbles...you know the drill. Yea, maybe it's fun for them, but it's classless when it makes it's way to the drum corps field.

theres room for both on retreat IMO as long as its not insulting another group.I remember the days when Bridgemen had a very relaxed retreat with beach chairs, and( fake ) margarita's..it was a show in itself and was great.Yeah yeah some people were appauled, so what... Its nice to see the decipline of some and the personalities of others. Theres room for all , just like on the field.

JMO

[GUARDLING]

I havef also been noticing that the judging in DCA (specifically the guard caption) has been really focusing on how well a group portrays a theme. Reading won the caption in 2010 with the Rome theme approach as well as exceptional spinning, and it looks like MBI took the same approach this year. The viking theme was very prevalent in their 2011 show along win with exceptional spinning and took the caption. After reflecting on the HUrricane's show this year, aside from a suit like uniform and a briefcase prop, I thought the show was just a show. Well done, but nothing that stuck out in the way of themeing. Some will disagree with me on this, but I was more entertained by Reading, MBI and Empire's productions because they were in fact that...a production!

a judge should be judging what is presented Not a personal preference. You judge the what and the how , a non themed show should be able to have just as much success and a themed show. Look at Phamt. reg. this year sure it was a theme( Juliet ) but other than the girl stabbing herself at the end and they all had dresses on and a Juliet look, thats as far as it went. Many thought , including me in the beginning they were dated, and very 1985 old SCV looking but I must say at the end everthing they did was just right for that show....You just have to do what you do well,and communicate it and have a well written program with all the components within the sheets .

[Kamarag]

theres room for both on retreat IMO as long as its not insulting another group.I remember the days when Bridgemen had a very relaxed retreat with beach chairs, and( fake ) margarita's..it was a show in itself and was great.Yeah yeah some people were appauled, so what... Its nice to see the decipline of some and the personalities of others. Theres room for all , just like on the field.

JMO

I think there's a difference between doing things that fit your image (Velvet Knights) and just being ridiculous. If you haven't done/brought it all year to retreat, don't do it at championships. It's really not that hard. At the very least, if you're gonna goof around at retreat, be subtle about it.

[GUARDLING]

I think there's a difference between doing things that fit your image (Velvet Knights) and just being ridiculous. If you haven't done/brought it all year to retreat, don't do it at championships. It's really not that hard. At the very least, if you're gonna goof around at retreat, be subtle about it.

Just my opinion Ive been part and supported both, doesnt bother me either way and dont mind the kids having fun.Most places there are no retreats anymore till the end of the year. The shows are for the audiance all year, why not have the celebration at the end on retreat and it be THEIR time.I would also agree, especially if they may be the only ones deciding to have a more relaxed retreat they MUST be resptful of others and thats what seemed to NOT happen.They should be respectful to those who choose to do the opposite

As far as bridgemen it was about their image BUT also it was their personality and was for FUN theres no doubt of that.

Edited September 19, 2011 by GUARDLING