euphman89 Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 RUN! The OP is clearly immune to our scathing remarks. It is a delusional world you live in, OP. So much of the basic premise of your idea is flawed that it is not legitimate. Your idea faces lack of support and funding from virtually every organization you mention, lack of participation due to time constraints from your desired member pool, and you have yet to respond to your childish name-calling of the very group of people who primarily keep drum corps alive today (in terms of participation). In other words, successful troll is successful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
actucker Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 I'm a music major in the percussion studio of my University as part of my composition degree. I can tell you for a fact that the percussion faculty at my school openly derides drum corps and marching percussion because the fundamentals of the technique used both in the front ensemble and in the battery are counter intuitive to an orchestral technique. It's a completely different type of stroke and approach to the instrument than playing in an orchestra, and when students are paying tens of thousands of dollars for an orchestral education, anything that diverts you from the path is seen as a distraction. The one thing drum corps gives you is monster chops. However in terms of technique, it's a step backwards from an orchestral education. The percussion faculty at my University (and others in my area) urge the students not to participate in drum corps unless they are able to smoothly transition from drum corps technique to orchestral technique, something that's not as easy as it sounds. .....however really, this is a small part of the bigger clusterfunk that is your over arching argument, and I probably shouldn't have wasted the energy required to reply to you....oh well. Unfortunately, I think a lot of the negativity towards drum corps that you see from a lot of percussion faculty comes from a lack of knowledge of the activity. I was always pretty private about my life outside of school, and so my private teacher didn't even know that I had gone on tour. When I came back, however, he couldn't shut up about how much better my orchestral chops were. 20 years ago, the argument against the activity might have been valid, but it isn't any more. The techniques have changed so much. Is it exactly the same as the approach you would use on an orchestral snare drum, or in a marimba concerto? No, but to say that one doesn't benefit the other is simply preposterous. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornsUp Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 paying tuition on top of tour fees is crazy. Tour fees IS tuition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lindap Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Unfortunately, I think a lot of the negativity towards drum corps that you see from a lot of percussion faculty comes from a lack of knowledge of the activity. I was always pretty private about my life outside of school, and so my private teacher didn't even know that I had gone on tour. When I came back, however, he couldn't shut up about how much better my orchestral chops were. 20 years ago, the argument against the activity might have been valid, but it isn't any more. The techniques have changed so much. Is it exactly the same as the approach you would use on an orchestral snare drum, or in a marimba concerto? No, but to say that one doesn't benefit the other is simply preposterous. I kept drum corps and school separate many moons ago 'cause they didn't understand. However, my school needed costumes for the Music Man musical in 72; my Drum Corps delivered. 4 years ago I showed a vid of a drum corps drum line to a kid. He took the vid and did a gig at his high school. I remember the meeting when the school staff said they were impressed. I'm confused too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Murray Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 -25 rep for the first post in a thread? I'm impressed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Boo Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 -25 rep for the first post in a thread? I'm impressed! We apparently need to try harder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
En929 Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 (edited) This isn't my scoring system or part II(b). For I am still waiting for some more DVD's from the library to get examples to associate with the system. I would like to challenge, maybe request is a better word, that every music major in a Drum Corps go to their music dean and ask them about starting a university drum corps using all the practice facilities, music libaries, professors, bflat instruments, practice rooms,auditoriums,maybe even indoor football field facilities. etc. God...all you preppies have right in your university and you still take DC spots from high schoolers. If your reading this right during your dean's office hours, then turn off your computer RIGHT NOW. Go to your dean and present him or her my idea of forming university drum corps and leaving the non profit DCI corps to the high schoolers in your probably financially strapped pay to play or cut music program district. Seriously, if all you want is the Drum Corps experience then wouldn't you rather walk across campus to a rehearsal for a few hours after classes every other night or so. Then sleep in your own bed. Take a shower in your own room and maybe compete with other NCAA Drum Corps within driving distance. That instead of trying to get to the airport after classes tomorrow. And spending thousands in tuition. In my VCR'd 1989 PBS DCI Broadcast, (viewed by about 8 times the number of ESPN's final broadcast in a nation without Drum Corps) Bobby Knight stated that DC members should get college credit for being in DC. Maybe your university could have an actual scheduled time for a DC class satisfying liberal arts requirement. Maybe there could be a class specifically in computer aided drill design. Think of the possibilities. Be inspired by the lyrics in the most artistic DCI program ever "Open Up Your Mind, Let The Fantasies Unwind. yada yada The Music of The Night." SCV 1988,1989. Go to your deans right now. Like before you do anything else. Don't even stop at the cafeteria for a cup of coffee and get distracted. If you have to go to the bathroom then go ahead if you might have to wait for awhile NCAA Drum Corps could be a reality this summer with hundreds of super sophisticated programs. Then after your dean states it would be a great idea, you can cancel your flight to whatever corps you're heading to this or next Friday. Then maybe the DCI corps can contact the local levy failure school district and fill your spot. RIGHT NOW......... RIGHT NOW....... GO TO YOUR DEANS.... UNLESS OF COURSE YOU'RE READING THIS AT 2 A.M. THEN GO TO BED DREAMING OF A STANFORD CARDINAL DRUM CORPS COMPETING AGAINST THE SCV ETC. AND WAKE UP AND MAKE NCAA DRUM CORPS A REALITY. Scoring system article in about two weeks depending on library order filling time. I agree that something needs to be done to expand our activity and keep it alive. Otherwise, it'll give way to todays' video games and other forms of entertainment and that would be a shame. Thus, I think different ideas like this need to be put out. So thus, I welcome this. People like to see drum corps more than some know and I think one of the keys is maybe exposure. For example, look at how many people has become interested in bands, etc. after watching the movie Drumline? Of course that's not drum corps and I'm sure most people on here would agree that's a poor representation of what marching band/drum corps is supposed to be like. But guess what, people LOVEEEE that movie and has took an interest in bands ever since (at least for a while). Many high schools, middle schools and even grade schools I've seen are always trying to mimic something that they heard off the that movie (and they do it abroad too). So, that tells me that there could be a door for our activity if the right kind of exposed was given. I think it could be better if it was bridged with a bit of mainstream mediums like playing more catchy and accessible music, etc. And nevertheless, I post drum corps videos all the time on my fb page and the noninitiated love to watch those. So that's an indicator that there can be great interest in our activity. As for getting these things going at colleges and universties, I think it depends on the college or university and it depends on the students too. Some here said that it might be impossible to do at their colleges and some students might not have time because of their schedules, etc. But at my school it was doable. Bottomline was, our school needed SOMETHING because music directors wanted to keep enrollment up and my school's music program was frankly dull. Hence, students themselves started clubs that tried to get more music in the school including a drumline movie type bands (even though it was small). Those students were supported and used practice rooms, facitilies, equipment, etc. as long as they took care of them (I think the students' names were attached to some of the equipment so that if something happend to the equipment, one student would be responsible). So, it worked out. Also, as a former music major, I personally still dwelled in drum corps when going to school (and I used to try to get drum corps going with my former drum corps director). It's all because I loved it and like now, wanted to keep it going, etc. So thus, I managed to have time and still take care of my responsibilities, etc. My saying "if there's a will then there's a way." But such was my personal experience with all that has been mentioned. Edited January 29, 2012 by En929 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjeffeory Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 I'm a music major in the percussion studio of my University as part of my composition degree. I can tell you for a fact that the percussion faculty at my school openly derides drum corps and marching percussion because the fundamentals of the technique used both in the front ensemble and in the battery are counter intuitive to an orchestral technique. It's a completely different type of stroke and approach to the instrument than playing in an orchestra, and when students are paying tens of thousands of dollars for an orchestral education, anything that diverts you from the path is seen as a distraction. The one thing drum corps gives you is monster chops. However in terms of technique, it's a step backwards from an orchestral education. The percussion faculty at my University (and others in my area) urge the students not to participate in drum corps unless they are able to smoothly transition from drum corps technique to orchestral technique, something that's not as easy as it sounds. .....however really, this is a small part of the bigger clusterfunk that is your over arching argument, and I probably shouldn't have wasted the energy required to reply to you....oh well. Wait, I thought we got amps because then front ensembles could use orchestral techniques outside.... Wait, wrong thread... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoTrooper Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 My response to the OP: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLWTFOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLWUT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoTrooper Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 -25 rep for the first post in a thread? I'm impressed! Psst. Make that -26. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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