garfield Posted December 31, 2012 Author Share Posted December 31, 2012 This ends our look at Crossmen. Time for the peanut gallery to make comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) This is where we part company for the time being G. Having no experience in this area I can only say well done. But, it's time to wait for the final document. I'll have mine lightly salted please. Edited December 31, 2012 by Ghost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted December 31, 2012 Author Share Posted December 31, 2012 This is where we part company for the time being G. Having no experience in this area I can only say well done. But, it's time to wait for the final document. I'll have mine lightly salted please. What? And lose one of my most ardent students? Oh, I'm crushed, I tell you. Crushed. (Not to worry, the updated spreadsheet is only a few corps away.) Thanks for playing, Ghost. :tongue:/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
va9590jm Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 odd. I thought the move to Texas was supposed to be better for them from the get go Maybe not necessarily from the get go, but in the long run. Also, the less than favorable programming during the first few years in Texas might not have helped. One thing I noticed was the large jump from 2010 to 2011 in revenue (granted, expenses also increased a lot, but it still turned a positive net). It will be interesting to see the how the 2012 numbers compare as well, after two years of very crowd engaging and pleasing shows, and the jump back into finals. (also it would be interesting to see the 2008 numbers from when they were in 12th most of the back half of the season until finals week, same with Madison's similar situation that same year) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 The Crossmen Balance Sheet Cash 2009: $32,444 2010: $12,588 2011: $10,436 Accounts Receivable 2009: $23,144 2010: $39,614 2011: $27,614 Inventories for sale or use 2009: $59,746 2010: $54,557 2011: $69,123 Land, Buildings, and equipment (at cost less accumulated depreciation) 2009: $233,852 2010: $204,784 2011: $247,723 odd that cash went down so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Maybe not necessarily from the get go, but in the long run. Also, the less than favorable programming during the first few years in Texas might not have helped. One thing I noticed was the large jump from 2010 to 2011 in revenue (granted, expenses also increased a lot, but it still turned a positive net). It will be interesting to see the how the 2012 numbers compare as well, after two years of very crowd engaging and pleasing shows, and the jump back into finals. (also it would be interesting to see the 2008 numbers from when they were in 12th most of the back half of the season until finals week, same with Madison's similar situation that same year) except when i look at the numbers, it doesnt seem to get better with age. trust me, I was a vocal critic of programming since before they left town.I'm sure being a finalist in 2012 will help some $$ coming to them in 2013. I wonder if maybe being blocked from some big home state events ( ie TOC/G7) has hurt? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickhaltsforlife Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 except when i look at the numbers, it doesnt seem to get better with age. trust me, I was a vocal critic of programming since before they left town.I'm sure being a finalist in 2012 will help some $ coming to them in 2013. I wonder if maybe being blocked from some big home state events ( ie TOC/G7) has hurt? I would bet that. And maybe the numbers don't look that great. But they did start basically from scratch. YEA! helped them out in 2007, but in 2008 they were basically a brand new corps in a business sense. All brand new equipment, no more loans from YEA! And the move probably hurt the money coming in from donors quite a bit. Not to mention, the shows sucked. They were competitive in 08, but the show was still boring as hell. If the Crossmen can stay competitive, I would like to see how business fairs. Fred took on a hard challenge. And throwing his own money at it won't solve everything. Let's see where it goes. This season has started off well, record numbers at camps (more money). Great season competitively... they made it to the big show (more money?). And many alumni and past fans are back on board. And as they make a bigger name for themselves in Texas it should only get better. Or they can miss finals again, and it can be more rough times ahead. Who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 I would bet that. And maybe the numbers don't look that great. But they did start basically from scratch. YEA! helped them out in 2007, but in 2008 they were basically a brand new corps in a business sense. All brand new equipment, no more loans from YEA! And the move probably hurt the money coming in from donors quite a bit. Not to mention, the shows sucked. They were competitive in 08, but the show was still boring as hell. If the Crossmen can stay competitive, I would like to see how business fairs. Fred took on a hard challenge. And throwing his own money at it won't solve everything. Let's see where it goes. This season has started off well, record numbers at camps (more money). Great season competitively... they made it to the big show (more money?). And many alumni and past fans are back on board. And as they make a bigger name for themselves in Texas it should only get better. Or they can miss finals again, and it can be more rough times ahead. Who knows. so the alumni issues with the move probably hurt more than imagined. In some ways I can't blame them. I mean yeah, the corps is alive, but it was heavily rooted in it's home area. They weren't getting kids flying in from all over to march there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted January 3, 2013 Author Share Posted January 3, 2013 (edited) "And now, please welcome to the field, from Diamond Bar, CA, Pacific Crest!" Note: Special thanks to Stuart Pompel, ED of PC, for providing to me the (yet to be published) 2011 filings. Pacific Crest is proof that small can, in fact, be quite large. "Consistently better, year after year" is my summation. Because of Stuart's willingness, I'll be able to show four years of 990's. Edited January 3, 2013 by garfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted January 3, 2013 Author Share Posted January 3, 2013 Pacific Crest Gross Receipts 2008: $526,857 2009: $616,216 2010: $719,749 2011: $745,319 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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