xandandl Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 This is true, but those drum corps are not requiring that anyone march indoor groups. You may have the letter of the law here, but not the spirit of the law of reality as it is in 2015. Very few DCI finalist corps do not expect guard or percussion members to have WGI experience, particularly in the guard world. Having paid or arranged more than enough sponsorships for several dozen DCI finalists over the years, I speak from personal experience as well as one who had some input in the audition process. I can particularly underscore that this is the reality in the top 1-10 even if it never appears any where in print. Ask the vets and you'll get confirmation/affirmation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornTeacher Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 (edited) You may have the letter of the law here, but not the spirit of the law of reality as it is in 2015. Very few DCI finalist corps do not expect guard or percussion members to have WGI experience, particularly in the guard world. Having paid or arranged more than enough sponsorships for several dozen DCI finalists over the years, I speak from personal experience as well as one who had some input in the audition process. I can particularly underscore that this is the reality in the top 1-10 even if it never appears any where in print. Ask the vets and you'll get confirmation/affirmation. If that is true (and I have absolutely no reason to dispute your assertion which is based on experience, Xanda), then wouldn't it behoove, out of nothing other than fairness, that the involved Corps(s) (and by the way...what the hell is the plural of "Corps?" Corpses? I shudder to think...) find some way of updating their expectations, and stating it in a way which is both realistic to the aims and goals, yet still allows for the periodic case where an auditioner doesn't fulfill the same intended goal? A lot of work on the part of the Corps management staff? Yes. Done in order to eliminate any fraudulent misinformation to future auditioners? Also yes. Such is the price we (or the Corps...or Corpses) pay for including (and/or "expecting") additional experience. Edited December 23, 2014 by HornTeacher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 (and by the way...what the hell is the plural of "Corps?" Corpses? I shudder to think...) Corps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornTeacher Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Corps. Thank you, Ghost. And by the way...is that the only example in the English language where the plural of a word is the word itself? Just asking. George Carlin would have had a field day with this ("Now wait just a &$%^$# second!! Fine. Corps. Is that singular, or is that plural? Are we talking one, or more than one? etc, etc, etc. ...) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lincoln Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 (edited) Thank you, Ghost. And by the way...is that the only example in the English language where the plural of a word is the word itself? Just asking. George Carlin would have had a field day with this ("Now wait just a &$%^$# second!! Fine. Corps. Is that singular, or is that plural? Are we talking one, or more than one? etc, etc, etc. ...) Fish Moose Deer Scissors Trousers Edited December 23, 2014 by Lincoln 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
actucker Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 You may have the letter of the law here, but not the spirit of the law of reality as it is in 2015. Very few DCI finalist corps do not expect guard or percussion members to have WGI experience, particularly in the guard world. Having paid or arranged more than enough sponsorships for several dozen DCI finalists over the years, I speak from personal experience as well as one who had some input in the audition process. I can particularly underscore that this is the reality in the top 1-10 even if it never appears any where in print. Ask the vets and you'll get confirmation/affirmation. Of course top groups are looking for kids with experience. They aren't particular about where that experience comes from, however. At the top level, corps can be choosy, and a kid that has done the activity beyond the scholastic level provides a certain level of security to staff members who are looking at who they can trust to commit to the ensemble. That being said, there is no unspoken rule that you are alluding to requiring that drum corps members also march indoor. Is it really common among kids who love the activity? Absolutely. There is no requirement however. For every anecdotal example you can come up with supporting your argument, I could come up with a counter example of a kid who didn't do indoor making a drum corps over a kid who did. Nobody is forcing anyone to march in either activity. The fact is, extra activities are expensive. Drum corps isn't an anomaly in that regard, particularly when you're talking about being among the top tier of people who participate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornTeacher Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 See happens as a teacher? School dismisses at noon on the 23rd...and the mind immediately shuts down and goes totally to s###. Thanks for the help, Linc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lincoln Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 See happens as a teacher? School dismisses at noon on the 23rd...and the mind immediately shuts down and goes totally to s###. Thanks for the help, Linc. I looked it up. There are other words from what I saw, but I picked a few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xandandl Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 (edited) Of course top groups are looking for kids with experience. They aren't particular about where that experience comes from, however. At the top level, corps can be choosy, and a kid that has done the activity beyond the scholastic level provides a certain level of security to staff members who are looking at who they can trust to commit to the ensemble. That being said, there is no unspoken rule that you are alluding to requiring that drum corps members also march indoor. Is it really common among kids who love the activity? Absolutely. There is no requirement however. For every anecdotal example you can come up with supporting your argument, I could come up with a counter example of a kid who didn't do indoor making a drum corps over a kid who did. Nobody is forcing anyone to march in either activity. The fact is, extra activities are expensive. Drum corps isn't an anomaly in that regard, particularly when you're talking about being among the top tier of people who participate. I tried to look at your profile to see what, if any, DCI corps you have actually been involved with as an instructor, management, or someone who knew the inside of the audition process. I drew a blank. I do not dispute the atrocities of the financial costs especially in light of college costs and the current economy. But my experience as instructor, administrator, and person involved in the behind the scenes of corps and WGI tells me you are unaware and just being argumentitive. I hope your Christmas is better than that. Edited December 23, 2014 by xandandl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lincoln Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 The fact is, extra activities are expensive. Drum corps isn't an anomaly in that regard, particularly when you're talking about being among the top tier of people who participate. I can't imagine how much it would cost to take part in marching band, wgi and drum corps. If not getting financial support or assistance from parents, when do these participants have time to get a part time job to help pay for things and have time to rehearse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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