Fred Windish Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, cixelsyd said: Both Dave Eddleman and Dan Acheson are on record, in writing, saying that the application suspension was because of the social media policy and nothing else. So you are suggesting that instead of taking them at their word and questioning their judgment, we presume them to be lying and question their basic character and integrity as well as judgment. Not sure that will have the effect you intended. No. I believe a notice was given with a justification that is demonstrable. Far better than to say “We believe the time is not right for us to properly evaluate your additional participation.” This group was not banished from all future requests. This is a “Come back again next year when our development plans are expected to be different.” This group was not violated. Disappointed, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 8 hours ago, BRASSO said: Unfortunately, an unresponded to allegation in a major city newspaper gives added life to it, imo. DCI should have at least offered up a denial that this happened. DCI HQ could have stated that to the reporter and/ or put out a press release statement that" we looked into the matter and found no evidence of wrongdoing with this", or some such. DCI HQ had put out previous denials of knowledge of things before in what the Press uncovered, MikeD. Also, why are you " suspicious " that the reporter's sources ( 2 ) with this allegation re. Fred Morrison is apparently bogus, in your opinion ? You disbelieve her account on what she found in her investigatory report, MikeD ? That maybe the reporter just made up the story re. Morrison, or that she had no sources ? or her sources are lying ? I do not believe the reporter made it up. She had no reason to do such a thing. I'm sure she was told that by someone. Can you point at two (2) sources? It is a while back, and I only recall it as being a singular person telling her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, Fred Windish said: No. I believe a notice was given with a justification that is demonstrable. Far better than to say “We believe the time is not right for us to properly evaluate your additional participation.” This group was not banished from all future requests. This is a “Come back again next year when our development plans are expected to be different.” This group was not violated. Disappointed, yes. Ehhhhhhhh..... It could aslo be filtered through Dan's past and current situations within DCI outside of Arsenal. The past would be the disrespect shown to other corps by the directors of the G7 and combine that with the current DCI safety situation which spawened the new, and untested, official code book. All of which Dan has been and is directly involved in overseeing not only the management aspect but the PR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 8 hours ago, Bluzes said: Hindsight is 20 / 20. He didn't purposely break the rule. He is being honest standing up like the fine young man he is. That helps him placing the focus on dci to prove he was trained properly. This man carries himself very well. if dci wants to create another David that takes down Goliath they got their man. This isn't over yet these folks from New Mexico were harmed you can't explain that away they have rights. His group applied to become an open class corps. It is not DCI's job to "train" him on their rules. They are readily available to him, and he should have made sure he was familiar with them as part of his application process. While Dan a made call I probably would not have made, it is HIS call, and he is the one who has responsibility to his organization. We are just outsiders who can freely post as much as we want on any topic we want, as we bear no accountability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilkituba Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Public service- To former members of Pioneer and Oregon Crusaders and current members of Arsenal who do not want to march another year of SoundSport but march in a REAL drum corps, we at _________ Drum Corps will offer you a free audition, free camp fee for our next camp, and a discount of $500 off your dues if contracted. We understand the predicament you are in and hope to see you at camp. Thank you. Too soon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cixelsyd Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 17 minutes ago, Fred Windish said: No. I believe a notice was given with a justification that is demonstrable. Far better than to say “We believe the time is not right for us to properly evaluate your additional participation.” This group was not banished from all future requests. This is a “Come back again next year when our development plans are expected to be different.” This group was not violated. Disappointed, yes. If there were other issues with Arsenal, the only way to resolve them would be to communicate about them. DCI could point those out in a formal evaluation, or they could point them out as reasons for deferring evaluation until a later date. Doing as you hypothesize, and pretending that there is only one reason while not mentioning the others, would be dishonest and counterproductive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cixelsyd Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, wilkituba said: Public service- To former members of Pioneer and Oregon Crusaders and current members of Arsenal who do not want to march another year of SoundSport but march in a REAL drum corps, we at _________ Drum Corps will offer you a free audition, free camp fee for our next camp, and a discount of $500 off your dues if contracted. We understand the predicament you are in and hope to see you at camp. Thank you. Too soon? Yes. Your application has been suspended. You may reapply in 2020. In the meantime, you are still welcome to participate in DCP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, cixelsyd said: Let me think: If you are a SoundSport group applying for open class, even a slight on another corps in a social media post gets your entire corps a full year sentence. If you are world class, but at the bottom competitively, multiple instances of member maltreatment gets you special assistance from DCI personnel to complete your season, but then either your director must go, or the whole corps goes. If you are high ranking world class, a serial rapist and a BOD intent on knowingly keeping him there earn you special assistance from DCI personnel to complete your season, including bending over backward to move your tour from one coast to the other to accommodate the needs of the corps in their time of crisis. Is that fair? I suppose " fair " would be in how people choose to assess things. But you have certainly highlighted correctly, imo, how DCI has acted in different situations, with different Corps, and it does raise legitimate questions as to whether or not DCI is applying its enforcement of its policies in a consistent, even handed capacity, irrespective of one's status in DCI. Frankly, I'm not so sure that they are . And yes, if they are not, that is troubling. Edited January 18, 2019 by BRASSO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Windish Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, cixelsyd said: If there were other issues with Arsenal, the only way to resolve them would be to communicate about them. DCI could point those out in a formal evaluation, or they could point them out as reasons for deferring evaluation until a later date. Doing as you hypothesize, and pretending that there is only one reason while not mentioning the others, would be dishonest and counterproductive. Dishonest? No. Less instructive than might have been? Yes. Remember, I’m someone who doesn’t believe Dan Acheson was obligated to say as much as he did. Simply, a “We have decided to take up your application next year. Thank you for your interest.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, cixelsyd said: Both Dave Eddleman and Dan Acheson are on record, in writing, saying that the application suspension was because of the social media policy and nothing else. Correct. DCI's Statement also makes clear that their upcoming review was cancelled, not for any financial concerns DCI had with this Corps, nor any other reason(s). Arsenal was to undergo an upcoming internal review of all aspects of the Corps fitness for Open Class, including presumably its financial fitness for touring and competing this season in Open Class. But the Corps upcoming scheduled review was cancelled due to the Corps Director's violation of DCI's Media Policy. DCI maakes no mention of any other reason(s) for the withdrawal of that scheduled upcoming review,. It denied the 2019 quest for this Corps to compete in 2019 in Open Class for this reason alone. The timing also confirms this as well. Less than 48 hours from the posting of the comments by the Corps Director, DCI HQ cancelled that application forthwith for the 2019 season for the Organization. Edited January 18, 2019 by BRASSO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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