GUARDLING Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 1 minute ago, scheherazadesghost said: I think insiders would be surprised how few hardliners actually want it to burn. Do I know those folks? Yes. Do I care about them? Yes. Do I agree that destruction is best? If that's what you and/or others are still getting from the hardline approach I present here then that's protection, plain and simple. And, you're right, it's not a good place to start a debate from. Further, you don't have to do what the burn it down crowd says... but listening to them might be informative. Possibly the only kind of informative that could lead to lasting solutions, even if they're tweaked versions of what that crowd presents. I agree with a lot you have said. I also believe with some subjects a debate is often a losing situation with no winners Sometimes it just cuts to deep . I do agree listening works 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigW Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 20 minutes ago, GUARDLING said: Your right as far as the activity is not close to proving anything but BOY has it changed and way more aware than the past. It has to start somewhere and needs to IMO. Is burning down everything without moving forward the answer , I guess that can be a heated debate. In this case, it appears whether anyone likes it or not that it was the only solution. I think it's a rather stark and ugly wake-up call for everyone who's left to get things together ethically. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigW Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 29 minutes ago, scheherazadesghost said: Survivors aren't likely to be a monolith that all want the things you're proposing though. The real question is: has anyone even asked them what they would want? Without protecting their outside assumptions? I don't think the activity is anywhere near proving the sins of our elders have been halted though. Not even close. It's not going to surprise me at all if more of this starts coming out. And it shouldn't shock and surprise anyone else if it happens. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUARDLING Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 (edited) 20 minutes ago, FormerXyloWhiz said: Our alumni has tended to be of the mind of "we love the corps but Hop is a cancer that has to go" for a very, very, very long time. If I had to bet, my bet would be that more of our survivors would be of this vain rather than "burn it all down." Just my impression in my time amongst everyone. I agree many feel that way for sure , maybe most BUT will also say , ( as I Said from the beginning years ago ) SOME, not all but some who got this exposed, were the very same who kissed the butt of GH for years and only when they were no longer needed ( as he did with many ) only then they exposed it. I find IMO those are just as responsible. There are many still out there claiming to be the arbitrator's of good with other corps who may have known and those who claimed , some after decades being around this person, that they knew nothing...hmmmmmmmm Edited April 10 by GUARDLING 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scheherazadesghost Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 14 minutes ago, GUARDLING said: I agree with a lot you have said. I also believe with some subjects a debate is often a losing situation with no winners Sometimes it just cuts to deep . I do agree listening works You've always presented a such and hope my assertiveness in this exchange is seen as only that. And I tend to put the deep cuts that survivors have endured above others. 6 minutes ago, BigW said: It's not going to surprise me at all if more of this starts coming out. And it shouldn't shock and surprise anyone else if it happens. Some of us actively work towards this. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FormerXyloWhiz Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 2 minutes ago, GUARDLING said: I agree many feel that way for sure , maybe most BUT will also say , ( as I Said from the beginning years ago ) SOME, not all but some who got this exposed, were the very same who kissed the butt of GH for years and only when they were no longer needed ( as he did with many ) only then they exposed it. I find IMO those are just as responsible. There are many still out there claiming to be the arbitrator's of good with other corps who may have known and those who claimed some after decades being around this person they knew nothing...hmmmmmmmm I'd believe it, absolutely. It required decades of enablers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigW Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 17 minutes ago, scheherazadesghost said: Some of us actively work towards this. Honesty and transparency is something I was raised to have and live by. The total lack of that at one point killed my corps. This stuff has to stop. I'd add more but I have to eat/meds and get to work. A lot of things I experienced as a 16 year old kid who wanted nothing more than to play my axx off in a Corps have caused me to reflect on all of this, let me tell you. Later on that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 4 hours ago, DFA1970 said: I wonder what happens to the trophies they have won over the years...even pre-DCI? Do those have to be sold as part of the ch. 7 bankruptcy? i believe those were being donated to the drum corps museum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 1 hour ago, GUARDLING said: You're right " life goes on " With that said, you are probably right BUT I would never say never about the Cadets. It's not like they haven't survived before. Yes, this is a big one hard to bounce back from and YES there are circumstances that could make it nearly impossible ( unfortunately ) but this corps on a shoe string survived the upheaval from Holy Name to Garfield Cadets and many other times in their history. Of course this is different but this corps also survived when the murder of a drum major happened BITD. Many said they were done then . Should they survive, can they survive, deserve to survive? Others can debate that. Count them out as done forever? I wouldn't be so sure of that. Not the same of course but many thought just recently that SCV wouldn't return, let alone so fast. I'm hopeful literally the name has zero value because if you own it, and new claims were to come up, guess who has to deal with it? it's damaged goods. there's far more negative to trying again then to actually try again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 1 hour ago, GUARDLING said: You don;t have to look far to know people have short memories. All you have to do is turn on cable news to view that from all sides. the short memories Didn't people say when all this started with GH that they would never come out? Parents wouldn't let kids march? who would work there? well none of that happened and had pretty competitive years as well as top 5 last year. at the time it first came out, YEA dragged their feet on doing anything about him, making DCI basically threatening to lower the boom. then the whole mess of old board new board, resign, quit.....i am amazed they survived 18 let alone after 18. if there is any video of the corps performance in Allentown from 18...not the backside video at the zpull, but the actual Flo feed, i'd love to see it. it was magic. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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