Why aren't The Cavaliers hated?

[caviepit85]

Life is good, E.T.! Are you going to make it out here for Finals next year? I might be in NYC in late October. Later!

That's great to hear sir..I'm going to sure try to get there for Finals...never been to L.A. before (amazing isn't it)...Ok let me know..Later!!

(we now return you to the live battle royal currently takiing place)

[ScribeToo]

I told you exactly what they were doing.. running through the parking lot naked. According to a Cavaliers alumni they were doing it because "they have the rookies do it every year."

I haven't dug any holes.

At this point you are simply coming across as being mentally deficient. I'm not going to try to argue with you anymore.

And I know after this you'll make some scatter-brained attempt at arguing or threatening me, though this is my last time responding.

Have a nice day.

I think it's funny that this conversation has morphed as it has..

and for the record, I'm trying hard .. but am unsuccessful in remembering a time since I started with the organization in 99 when the guys in the corps (or FMMs, even.. recent or distant) EVER referred to anybody in the corps as "rookies." The accepted term is usually "new guys" -- but maybe your memory of the incident is just recalling that word when it wasn't used?

Not trying to start anything.. but seriously.. if an outsider calls a new guy a "rookie" a MM or FMM will usually correct them.. or re-state the designation clearly as "new guy" (or use another term they use for initiates). As with any corps, they have their accepted vernacular.

That's all.

[mace]

Why aren't they hated? ...

I admit I am more a music person than a drill person, but how can you hate drill that perfect? - check the DCI DVDs.

Edited August 15, 2006 by mace

[SkyRyder_FMM]

Anyway, I think George's whole "Midwestern fans only like their own corps" schtick is greatly exaggerated. Corps from all across the country got lots of love from Madison's mostly midwestern crowd.

I agree with you there. There was tons of support for every corps on the field (with the notable exception of the corps that must not be named). The Madison crowd was fantastic compared to the crowd in Allentown. Allentown had a dead crowd compared to the other regionals I attended, and especially compared to Madison.

Edited August 14, 2006 by SkyRyder_FMM

[glory]

You're all wrong. The answer to the original question is quite simple. It is because there is someone else to hate.

Our culture seems to need villains as much as it needs heroes. In this case, were it not for the Cadets, the Cavies might well be that villain. But instead, the Cadets, by virtue of their own success combined with lightning-rod practices, take the heat.

I've sometimes wondered if Fiedler and Gibbs understand that dynamic. They were around in the late 80s when Cadets were the "Yankees" yet the animus didn't crescendo that much because Star was there to to wear the black hats. With Star gone, Cadets inherited the hate and haven't relinquished it.

My opinion: Cavies are safe so long as the Cadets are not.

HH

Edited August 14, 2006 by glory

[byline]

I haven't read every single post in the thread, but has anyone pointed out that the Blue Devils were in pretty much the same position from 1976 thru 1986 that the Cavaliers are in now? Did anybody "hate" BD back then?

"Hate" is a pretty strong word, but I do recall people saying they didn't like BD. As I recall, the charge was that they lacked excitement and were too smooth. LOL, I would've loved to have had a taste of that "smooth" when I marched! B)

[SkyRyder_FMM]

This thread got me thinking. When I first started marching in 78, there were a lot of people that hated the Cavaliers. I mean outright HATED them. These people blamed them for the death and demise of the Muchachos. What I heard was that it was the Cavaliers that "ratted" on the Muchachos for marching over age members that got them disqualified, and the timing of it was suspicious. I was only 12 at the time, so I could have cared less about all that stuff and who told on who, etc. Bottom line, Muchacghos broke the rules and were DQ'ed - the rest was irrelevant. But not to a lot of folks I met. That all seemed to subside in the early 80's, and by the time I aged out in 88, I never really heard anything more about it. Not trying to stir the pot - just pointing out that at one time, there was in fact a lot of hatred expressed for the Cavies. I'm glad to see it's gone now. Friendly rivalries are cool, but outright hating a corps is just uncalled for.

[byline]

I'm considering legal action, but I didn't threaten you.

Good luck with that.

[Medeabrass]

The Cavaliers retain their popularity due to a number of reasons:

Fiedler doesn't keep a blog.

He sells his corps.

He doesn't make elitist comments like Mason, or do anything to make people dislike the corps.

He's a people person, and a great guy to know who has been constantly involved with the corps since 1973.

The corps itself is laid back and accessible to fans.

The shows are entertaining yet push the bounds of effect and design.

They have a stronger more positive identity than most corps.

I totally agree (laughing inside) especially with the Mason comment. Fiedler is a class act who knows how to get out in front and lead by example while allowing his design team to be creative. He seems to command respect without disrespecting the people he leads.

I still remember watching him lead the corps while they were running the bleachers before rehearsal...impressive to say the least...I could never imagine Mason doing this.

I really believe he would make a great CEO in the business world. He just seems like someone you want to follow...of course, all of this comes from the outside looking in.

[uncle z]

This thread got me thinking. When I first started marching in 78, there were a lot of people that hated the Cavaliers. I mean outright HATED them. These people blamed them for the death and demise of the Muchachos. What I heard was that it was the Cavaliers that "ratted" on the Muchachos for marching over age members that got them disqualified, and the timing of it was suspicious. I was only 12 at the time, so I could have cared less about all that stuff and who told on who, etc. Bottom line, Muchacghos broke the rules and were DQ'ed - the rest was irrelevant. But not to a lot of folks I met. That all seemed to subside in the early 80's, and by the time I aged out in 88, I never really heard anything more about it. Not trying to stir the pot - just pointing out that at one time, there was in fact a lot of hatred expressed for the Cavies. I'm glad to see it's gone now. Friendly rivalries are cool, but outright hating a corps is just uncalled for.

There was not only a lot of hatred expressed for the Cavaliers in 75-76 following the Muchacho disqualification--I'm certain there are several DCP members here who are FMM of the Cavaliers who have suffered the ignominy of having objects physically thrown at them while waiting to take the field in Philadelphia.

Come to think of it, after the first VFW win in '57 the Cavaliers had to be escorted to their buses. So I guess historically the Cavaliers HAVE been hated. And like you stated, Tim--with a hate that is uncalled for.

But, like the Corps' song goes...."there is no corps we fear"