JamMan Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 A few drops do not make or break a colorguard. What's more important than the drop is the recovery. Is the same true in percussion? NO! Drops in colorguard causes nonconformity, which is what colorguard is all about. If two people don't spin together, that's a low score. If one person drops, obviously it's not going to be with the rest of the guard, hence, a lower score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musical_Spinner Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Is the same true in percussion? NO!Drops in colorguard causes nonconformity, which is what colorguard is all about. If two people don't spin together, that's a low score. If one person drops, obviously it's not going to be with the rest of the guard, hence, a lower score. Aha! Here's were you hit a huge gray area in the world of colorguard. If one person drops like you said, for example, then it's their job to get back into and correct the ensemble look, hence the faster the recovery the better the ensemble. So if the one person cannot recover fast enough then they've ruined the ensemble hence a lower score. Should they "get back in" as we call it quickly and not ruin a big moment etc. then they are not extremely penalized (if at all). Single person recovery matters, a lot. Even if it's one or two people, recovery matters.....(a lot) Now if the entire ensemble is having problems catching the tosses or being in synch. with eachother then the excellence/achievement score will indeed suffer....no matter how fast they can recover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slow Adam Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Adam......slow, slow Adam. No, but seriously. There are some people that praise recovery so much that they would have you believe that a corps that recovers well should score better than a corps that executes near flawlessly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slow Adam Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 I'm a percussionist in his first year of winterguard, and it is alot easier to drop than you might believe. Okay, that's fine. But if you ran your show two times back to back, and the first time you didnt drop anything, and the second time you dropped a few times but picked up your equipment and got back into the work quickly...which run through deserves the higher score? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Not to mention that if you are in guard and you make a mistake, whether it is a drop or you are out of sync with the rest of the guard, it is highly visual and everyone can see it. Horn players and percussionists can make several individual errors in one show and never be known because they can be buried in the sound of the rest of the section. Or the musicians can lay out when they are supposed to be playing (say they are having a bad night and they know it), which is not an "error" per se, but the guard MUST perform 100% of the show or they cause errors to be visualized. Talk about pressure.So even if there were 5 drops in the Cavies show in 2002, their perfect score is no different than the other perfect scores in recent years. Surely no one believes that the Blue Devils brass line in 2004 quarter finals had zero mistakes in an 11 1/2 minute show? They were good, no doubt, but... Or, maybe the guard judge even noticed the drops and still believed that even with those mistakes their content and performance was better than the rest? In a subjective system, that's highly possible. well they dropped a person, that should count :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaritoneBamBam Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Okay, that's fine. But if you ran your show two times back to back, and the first time you didnt drop anything, and the second time you dropped a few times but picked up your equipment and got back into the work quickly...which run through deserves the higher score? Dropping will cause the Judge to gain attention. Dropping is one thing, dropping consistently is automatically taken as dropping due to bad technique and bad posture. There are drops which are considered "flukes" and there are drops which are considered because of poor control. The latter is the one that does not receive as much credit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
profhill Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Dropping will cause the Judge to gain attention. Dropping is one thing, dropping consistently is automatically taken as dropping due to bad technique and bad posture. There are drops which are considered "flukes" and there are drops which are considered because of poor control. The latter is the one that does not receive as much credit. Drops are considered isolated events, unless like he said they are a result of poor technique. In which case the drop isn't the problem, it's the bad technique that the judge will comment on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slow Adam Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 There are drops which are considered "flukes" and there are drops which are considered because of poor control. The latter is the one that does not receive as much credit. So, by that logic, if both run throughs of a guard show exhibit superior technique and equipment control, but one has a few "fluke" drops, they should be scored the same? Am I understanding this correctly? That makes absolutely no sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssorrell Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 (edited) So, by that logic, if both run throughs of a guard show exhibit superior technique and equipment control, but one has a few "fluke" drops, they should be scored the same? Am I understanding this correctly? That makes absolutely no sense. Come on Adam...surely you aren't that slow? :) In the post that you responded to, BaritoneBamBam infers that the isolated drops would be considered less critically by a judge as the repeated drops would be. Both kinds of drops would come with scoring repercussions, but one would be more destructive to the score than the other. Thus, in your scenario of a corps performing twice, it is obvious that the cleaner run would outscore the one with more drops, especially when you are considering that it is a corps competing against itself. That is, assuming you have the same judge watching both runs. Edited January 10, 2007 by ssorrell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempotantrum Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 (edited) SA, Consider it this way- Snare break - Drummer drops stick, other 7 snares perform solo flawlessly. Percussion ensemble is clearly the best. It's up to the judge to "weight" the dropped stick accordingly. This ensemble probably shouldn't lose. Ensemble guard work - 30 person flag ensemble one person drops flag on toss, but gets right back into sync within a matter of less then a couple seconds and performs flawlessly throughout. Guard is clearly the best. It's up to the judge to "weight" the dropped flag accordingly. This ensemble probably shouldn't lose... Hope that helped. Edited January 10, 2007 by tempotantrum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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