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  1. OBSERVATION: THE ACADEMY with its production of "A World of My Imagination" has returned back (not that is ever left) to the Creation of what many are saying is more Fan Friendly Favorite show. However, I find it concerning that the Corps scoring trajectory is noticeably lagging, compared typically to their previous Top 15 shows. All the Elements are there: From the Classic Look in Purple Tux and Tail Uniforms, to a quite Sophisticated yet familiar Music Book, to an extremely demanding and well executed percussion book and battery, along with it's nearly 40 member guard displaying perhaps it's best command of equipment in performance, that I have personally observed from THE ACADEMY since it's debut in 2004. So why the unusually low/lagging scores. Sadly, I believe I can answer my own question. It's become quite evident that the Curse of the Covid-19+ Virus is the one common denominator, negatively impacting THE ACADEMY and many other Corps performances and scores. Such as the approximately 20+ missing MM from The Academy's Annapolis show and worse the reportedly 40!? missing MM from a recent performance by my beloved "Casper Wyoming Troopers," (who inspired me to march 24" Concert Cymbals in my local Corps back in 1969!) I never "Imagined" that the Corps entertaining "Creation" would see it's score trajectory partially victimized by a Virus. Godspeed to All.
  2. Hi Everyone, I was bored and couldn't sleep this morning, so I decided to do some research on the 12th place corps, and how their scores change between semifinals and finals. Here's the statistics for every corps that placed 12th place on finals night (there are a couple of exceptions, where a corps jumped into 11th on finals, in which case I used the 11th place semi's corps for the 12th place finals placement) Year Corps Semis Finals Difference '22 Troopers 87.425 86.425 -1 '19 Phantom Regiment 87.775 87.2375 -0.5375 '18 Crossmen 87.25 86.75 -0.5 '17 Madison Scouts 86.475 85.25 -1.225 '16 Boston Crusaders 85.525 84.8 -0.725 '15 Crossmen 83.875 85.025 1.15 '14 Crossmen 85.45 86.225 0.775 '13 Blue Stars 86.2 85.45 -0.75 '12 Crossmen 84.8 84 -0.8 '11 Spirit of Atlanta 86.55 85.35 -1.2 '10 Glassmen 86.5 85.8 -0.7 '09 Troopers 85.9 85.1 -0.8 '08 Madison Scouts 86.375 85.225 -1.15 '07 Spirit 85.5 84.5 -1 '06 Spirit 85.275 84.825 -0.45 '05 Spirit 85.75 86.075 0.325 '04 Glassmen 86.375 85.95 -0.425 '03 Spirit 85.5 84.4 -1.1 '02 Seattle Cascades 85.95 84.05 -1.9 '01 Colts 85.95 84.9 -1.05 '00 Bluecoats 85.15 84.4 -0.75 '99 Colts 85.2 86 0.8 '98 Colts (11th in Semis) 87.3 85.3 -2 '97 Carolina Crown 85.9 85 -0.9 '96 Blue Knights 84.6 80.7 -3.9 '95 Magic of Orlando 81.9 82.4 0.5 '94 Colts 83 80.1 -2.9 '93 Colts 84.2 81.6 -2.6 '92 Freelancers 84 83.1 -0.9 '91 Sky Riders 85.1 82.9 -2.2 '90 Dutch Boy 86.3 82.2 -4.1 '89 Crossmen 85.8 84 -1.8 '88 Sky Riders 86.6 85.1 -1.5 '87 Sky Riders 85.3 81.9 -3.4 '86 Velvet Knights 86.4 82.6 -3.8 '85 Freelancers 85.9 83.2 -2.7 '84 Velvet Knights 85.9 83.2 -2.7 '83 Sky Riders 78.7 73.75 -4.95 '82 Spirit of Atlanta 85.05 81.65 -3.4 '81 Troopers 81 78.1 -2.9 '80 Guardsmen 79.55 73.2 -6.35 '79 Troopers 81.9 77.9 -4 '78 Kilties 79.95 77.25 -2.7 '77 Garfield Cadets(13th) 84.45 78.15 -6.3 '76 Guardsmen 83.75 74.25 -9.5 '75 Troopers 79.6 76.2 -3.4 '74 Blue Stars 79.4 75.7 -3.7 '73 Stockton Commodores 77.4 72.25 -5.15 '72 Bleu Raeders 78.85 73.95 -4.9 Some notable statistics: - The largest single drop from semi's to finals was the '76 Guardsmen, losing 9.5 points. - The average score drop from 2000 to 2022 was 0.6577 points. From 1983 to 1999, the average drop was 2.97 points. And from 1972 to 1982, the average drop was 4.75 points. - Only four corps have ever improved on their semi's score in finals: '95 Magic of Orlando (+0.5), '99 Colts (+0.8), '05 Spirit (+0.325), and '14 Crossmen (+0.775). - The corps that likes to eek their way into finals the most is Spirit/Spirit of Atlanta, placing 12th six separate times. Colts, Crossmen, and Troopers all came in 12th place five times each. - Of the 22 separate corps that have placed in 12th, fully half of them (11) are no longer competing as of 2022 (This will change if/when Spirit comes back). - Five separate corps (Bluecoats, Carolina Crown, Cadets, Madison Scouts, and Phantom Regiment) have all placed in 12th at some point but also received gold medals in other years. Have fun with the info.
  3. So I'm going through some scores from DCI Finals past and was shocked to see the scores from Semi-Finals to Finals. Perhaps I was so blown away by Phantom coming from behind and tying BD for the title and I didn't pay attention to the scoring changes and place changes that took place. So here goes. So did the bottom 9 Corps have bad performances? Did it rain? Did Phantom Regiment performance wake up the judges? I assume the performances at Semi's were that good. Keep in mind back then our first viewing of the all these shows was when DVD's or VHS tapes were delivered, so I have no idea how these Corps performed in the Semi's. 5 point drop off for the Colts? Imagine this happening today, the DCP would crash.
  4. Hi everyone, as part of my drum corps poll series, I’ve come up with my next match up. Throughout the 2017 season Pioneer and Jersey Surf went head to head at numerous competitions throughout the season. At the DCI World Championships, Pioneer finished 34th and Jersey Surf finished 27th. Even though there is a gap between the two, that gap might close up next season. Pioneer is on a mission to field a full Corps next season. Within the goal of marching a full corps next season, Pioneer has a goal of marching a full hornline of 80 brass next season. As of right now, they have 44 brass members registered for their first camp in January. They expect to have their full 80 man hornline by their march camp. Also, pioneers 2018 production Irish Dragons is going to be a show that is going to be the beginning of a new era for pioneer. With this new growth for pioneer, Pioneer is on a mission to rise to the top both competitively and as an organization. Pioneer is going to be a force to be reckoned with next season. After having said all that, who do you think will score higher and finish higher. Please vote and we’ll find out!
  5. Remember that there are risks inherent in comparing scores from different shows. AS OF SEPTEMBER 30 1. 91.050* The Company -- Kerkrade, Limb., Neth. 9/30 (+3.750 9/23) [1st I.C. Finals; 30th W.C. Prelims; 1st DCUK; 1st DCE] SEASON COMPLETE (at 1st) 2. 81.975 Vanguard Cadets -- Indianapolis, IN 8/11 (+0.475 8/10) [1st O.C. Finals; 16th W.C. Semis] SEASON COMPLETE (at 1st) 3. 80.050 Blue Devils B -- Indianapolis, IN 8/11 (-0.125 8/10) [2nd O.C. Finals; 19 W.C. Semis] SEASON COMPLETE (at 2nd) 4. 76.225 Legends -- Indianapolis, IN 8/11 (-0.575 8/10) [3rd O.C. Finals; 22nd W.C. Semis] SEASON COMPLETE (at 3rd) 5. 74.275 Music City -- Indianapolis, IN 8/11 (-0.675 8/10) [4th O.C. Finals; 24th W.C. Semis] SEASON COMPLETE (at 4th) 6. 73.475 Spartans -- Indianapolis, IN 8/11 (-0.875 8/10) [5th O.C. Finals; 25th W.C. Semis] SEASON COMPLETE (at 5th) 7. 71.563 Louisiana Stars -- Indianapolis, IN 8/10 (-1.650 8/8) [6th O.C. Finals; 28th W.C. Prelims] SEASON COMPLETE (at 6th) 8. 70.100 Gold -- Indianapolis, IN 8/10 (-2.650 8/8) [7th O.C. Finals; 29th W.C. Prelims] SEASON COMPLETE (at 7th) 9. 69.800 7th Regiment -- Indianapolis, IN 8/10 (-2.400 8/8) [8th O.C. Finals; 31st W.C. Prelims] SEASON COMPLETE (at 9th) 10. 68.838 Southwind -- Indianapolis, IN 8/10 (-1.287 8/8) [9th O.C. Finals; 32nd W.C. Prelims] SEASON COMPLETE (at 10th) 11. 67.838 Guardians -- Indianapolis, IN 8/10 (-1.899 8/8) [10th O.C. Finals; 33rd W.C. Prelims] SEASON COMPLETE (at 11th) 12. 65.700 River City Rhythm -- Indianapolis, IN 8/10 (+1.988 8/8) [11th O.C. Finals; 35th W.C. Prelims] SEASON COMPLETE (at 12th) 13. 63.525 Raiders -- Indianapolis, IN 8/10 (-1.450 8/8) [12th O.C. Finals; 36th W.C. Prelims] SEASON COMPLETE (at 13th) 14. 62.000 Shadow -- Indianapolis, IN 8/10 (-0.225 8/7) [13th O.C. Prelims; 37th W.C. Prelims] SEASON COMPLETE (at 14th) 15. 60.925 Colt Cadets -- Indianapolis, IN 8/10 (-0.275 8/7) [14th O.C. Prelims; 38th W.C. Prelims] SEASON COMPLETE (at 15th) 16. 59.700 Golden Empire -- Bellflower, CA 7/16 (+1.650 7/15) SEASON COMPLETE (at 7th) 17. 59.100 The Battalion -- Denver, CO 7/15 (+1.400 7/12) SEASON COMPLETE (at 7th) 18. 58.600 Watchmen -- Bellflower, CA 7/16 (+2.100 7/15) SEASON COMPLETE (at 9th) 19. 57.550 Impulse -- Indianapolis, IN 8/10 (-0.575 8/7) [15th O.C. Prelims; 39th W.C. Prelims] SEASON COMPLETE (at 19th) 20. 57.400 Heat Wave -- Knoxville, TN 7/19 (+3.450 7/15) SEASON COMPLETE (at 12th) 21. 57.100 Columbians -- Denver, CO 7/12 (-0.200 7/12) SEASON COMPLETE (at 10th) 22. 54.725 Les Stentors -- Indianapolis, IN 8/10 (-0.475 8/7) [16th O.C. Prelims; 40th W.C. Prelims] SEASON COMPLETE (AT 22nd) 23. 50.400 Incognito -- Bellflower, CA 7/16 (+3.050 7/15) SEASON COMPLETE (at 19th) 24. 48.100 Blue Devils C -- Bellflower, CA 7/16 (+1.550 7/15) SEASON COMPLETE (at 21st) *DCUK/DCE score Next show: nothing until 2018.
  6. Thanks for considering reading this wall of text. tl;dr No there are no conspiracies. There is virtually no herd mentality on the national level. Money nor reputation matters. Become a judge if you aren't already. Also--thank you if you're a fan of any of the pageantry activities. Not meant to be a dissertation, but a reflection of my many years of experience as a judge on the field and indoor. No I am not a DCI judge but I have been judging with DCI, WGI, and BOA national judges and have had many discussions with said men and women who are actively making these tough decisions. There appear to be several of us on here willing to share information so any input is very much appreciated. I am not speaking for every judge or even any group of judges but SPECIFICALLY to my experience. I'll be available for follow-up questions and concerns for a few days until this account and thread dies--if that's the case. ------------- 1) Herd Mentality Does not exist barring very few situations*. We judge the sheets. Particular to our caption, a unit can hit the sheets according to our eyeballs and our ears or it cannot. Sometimes there are difficult decisions that we have to make on the spot. We all see different things even within the same caption. Some judges are good enough to judge multiple captions. Ranks and ratings change for the same judge because they're judging a new caption. Also, when panels change, numbers will change as you have probably experienced in the past. It's absolutely unavoidable. Please also remember that there are separate numbers in what we see the designers intended to do and what the performers executed on that particular day/evening; i.e. vocabulary vs. excellence. It's the LEFT side and the RIGHT side respectively. It's not rocket science. We all have to trial judge for this and prove we can focus on our own caption and defend our numbers at critique and thereafter. *Note: Interestingly enough, every few shows a newer judge or trial judge will ask where I put a unit at any given point. I give them the neighborhood, e.g. high box 3, mid box 4, etc. but I'm very averse to providing an actual number as is anyone I have spoken with. Remember that we have fans only a few feet away from us in virtually every direction that can hear our conversations and are probably recording us on their smartphones. Why would we be idiots and mimic each other's scores? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. These days we can typically change our numbers for all units at the end of a round due to the mechanics of Competition Suite. It's a magical thing and it makes numbers management so much easier and more equitable. 2) Money We get a few hundred bucks or maybe a little more. It's not much. Expenses are paid if we are lucky. Rumors have it that nationals is just about the same or a little bit more but not much. This is a NON PROFIT activity. Enough said. We mostly do this because we think we can do it better than others and provide better input. We're not in this for the money--heck, we may be better off bartending for an evening. We do get the best view in the venue. That's why I do it--along with providing input to groups who actually give a **** as to improving their units. Most of us want the activity to grow and performers to get better; however, some judges are jerks who just want to criticize and call out things that are wrong because the units are not doing what they did 5, 10, or 50 years ago. It oftentimes gets tiresome in the judge's room and occasionally pisses me off. That's the main frustration I've had. We tend to argue when I encounter a judge who made a number I sorely disagreed with in a caption I've judged; there's a 50/50 chance I'll win and they'll rethink their numbers next time around if they're given the opportunity. We're otherwise complaining as to why we got a baked potato for a "meal." 3) Reputation This gets a little complicated. Many judges have obligations outside of judging. For example, several have contracts with percussion, winter guards, winds, marching bands, drill design, you name it. However, from my experience, it really doesn't matter. Our reputation is founded on the basis that we put down a number, record our commentary, and defend every ounce of it. We sometimes get stuck with a number we put down during an earlier part of the season and have to really back up any changes later in the season. As long as we reflect our APPROPRIATE number based on the sheet of our particular caption during that specific performance, it doesn't matter if we give 3rd place to a 12th place unit or vice versa. I've done it many times, "called" many shows, and still get asked to judge again. Judge's commentary is becoming more and more public, so I make sure to talk about the stuff I want my dear mother to hear as well as the unit staff and most importantly the performing members. When I hear from either the Chief Judge or a director that they played my commentary to their students, it means the world to me. Knowing they sacrificed several minutes of their valuable rehearsal time to listen to my exhausted hoarse voice makes my day. 4) Critique Sometimes a show will have a requirement for the judges to participate in critique sessions with the units. We may also get emails, phone calls, or texts about why a unit was ranked and rated as they were. This can get stressful. This is why we take notes. I keep my notes for at least 3 years. Every show is different. Some times I'll place a unit higher than another, and I take notes as to why (even though it's inappropriate to talk about other units during critique). Focus on your own show on your own caption and unit I always say. However, it's good for me to back up to the Chief Judge why I flip-flopped or made an uncanny or unpopular choice. I do it all the time. Most times people get it--they watch their competitors and see why they have fallen (or risen) in my particular caption. Critique allows us to gather input from the units and provide feedback beyond our recorded commentary. Heck I've unintentionally made a former colleague cry during critique. I've also had a situation when we had to get the Chief Judge to kick out an overdramatic irate director during critique. What really pisses us off is when someone only rants about their score without having listened to the commentary. All I can reference is my notes at that point. The commentary is not a part of my records but a part of yours. Do your homework. Listen to the commentary. 5) State of the Activity Plan on being angered! Many current judges should consider retiring. The activity has changed considerably in the past decade--let alone the past several decades--and corps art is not being recognized properly. The newer judges, about a third of any panel; if we're lucky, have still been removed from the activity for a decade or more. Yes, this is a traditional activity and that I quite understand. Furthermore, most design and tech staff who have been a part of the top competing units are of a separate generation with separate visions working alongside older generations with progressive acuities. There's a lot of subjectivity with the sheets and what is put on the field or floor. A few older judges see this. Most, however, don't. This is, in my honest opinion, the main disconnect between the overall numbers and what the fans want to see rewarded. So where is the activity heading? Which leads me to this: 6) Next Steps Trial judge. Regardless of your age. We need more judges. Many of you are analytical critical jerks and we really could use your help. Whether it's percussion, guard, winds, visual, brass, whatever. We need new blood in every activity. Please consider contacting a local circuit and start trialing. Before you know it, you may be judging state and regional championships and knocking on DCI, BOA, or WGI's doors. Just show up. That's half the battle. You're not running for office--you're helping develop youth and art. We just need new people with deductive mindsets willing to put in their experience and research to current events on the field and the floor. We're no better than you. The activity is changing too fast for most of us. Regardless, please stay a supporting member or fan of the marching & pageantry arts no matter what. The common sports have enough fans. Show up to all sorts of our musical and "artsy" competitions just because, well, reasons. Thank you. Edit: Changed title of thread. Edit: Here's a copy of the 2012 DCI sheets thanks to @Jeff Ream
  7. June 22, 2017 vs. June 23, 2016 Higher scores out of the gate in 2017 than 2016. #1 and #2 are consistent with Bluecoats edging out Carolina Crown by 1.35 this year, an increase over last year's 0.50 margin.
  8. I have participated and have been following drum corps for a very long time. I have adopted the changes over the years with open arms. I love most of those changes and have no wish to turning the clock back. I start with these points because I know some punk will accuse me of being old school or for not understanding modern drum corps. Rest assured I understand it quite well and I am very familiar with the judging sheets and scoring process. Having said that, it is a shame what the judges are doing to BC this year. I have watched closely all season and have seen the bias that is so obvious. It appears to me the judges have a grudge of some sort against them. Is it the guard outfits? I read the corps changed to longer shorts due to complaints about a little butt cheek or two showing. Is it because the judges believe it is destiny for BD and SCV to be fighting it out during their anniversaries? Maybe it is because they don't have enough pretty colors. I noticed BD has pink in their uniforms. That certainly must be worth an extra 3 or 4 points in visual. It apparently outweighs the extreme drill design BC is marching. Unfortunately, the scores are simply the opinion of a select few judges. They are human and have biases. This years "collective thought" appears to be against the Bluecoats. That truly is a shame given the energy and talent this corps has. The message the judges are sending to all: don't do anything risky, keep your drill simple and clean, focus on having a strong palette of color choices and color guard, both have more impact on your overall score then drill, brass, or percussion. Fast is old school. March slowly and precisely. When playing, be sure it is loud and try to stand still while doing so. If you are going to march at a fast tempo, be sure to do it while not playing. And finally, never ever make the young women in the guard where something feminine. Modern women are not supposed to be feminine or sexy.
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  10. It's a SKYLINER SHOW DAY - and our HOME SHOW. Weather is amazing!! Come on out, and see a great show. TONIGHT! Jake Sobeski Stadium, 120 Boston Ave., West Pittston, PA! Thunderbirds! Hurricanes! Bushwackers! White Sabers! NY Skyliners Alumni! Caballeros Alumni! and of your course your SKYLINERS! Tickets are $15 for adults, $10 for kids - 18 and under, if you wear your show shirt of band jacket or are under 6 years old, YOU GET IN FREE!
  11. Three weeks from today, DCP will have its first postings after we have seen actual performances. In prep for that, anyone interested in offering up a brief - brief - tutorial on how judging works? I’m not a doofus, but also not qualified (nor even interested) in the details necessary at the judge level. Rather, I’d like to be a little more intelligent about what I am seeing and hearing with respect to how scores are determined. Primarily, I want to enjoy the shows. So “be a little more intelligent” is an important qualifier. To put this in context, here is this: I’m a long-time university professor. I know the difference between student work that is (say, for example) 87/100 vs. student work that is 93/100. But the difference between 87 and 86 or 88? I’ve no clue. Or a student scoring an 89 gets a B+ and one scoring a 91 gets an A-. That’s how it works. But honestly, in so many cases, the quality of what either of those students can accomplish is essentially indistinguishable. In 2016 Coats were 97.650 and BD 97.250. Crown 97.088. Is that just the way the numbers shake out and everyone knows that? Or is there some sense that qualified people really can determined the Coats were 0.41131% - yes, that’s less than 1/2 a percent - better than the Blue Devils? (BD was 0.16685% better than Crown.)
  12. Just in case we didn't have enough ways to over-analyze scores, I have created another one. This isn't groundbreaking; I just worked to align the calendars between 2015 and 2016 (started and ended about a week earlier last year) so that we can see how things compare at approximately the same time of the year each season. Note that there is 1 more day of competition in 2016 so there will be no side-by-side analysis for June 24, 2016. Also note, that this chart will always show the most recent score received to date.
  13. Keep in mind, I believe that only once the winner of this show has won the championship (going back to 2011 when all the corps participated the same day) That corps was the undefeated monster that was the 2014 Blue Devils. That being said, who do you think wins this show and do you think whoever wins this show will win it all? My prediction Blue Devils will win this show and Carolina Crown will go on to win in the finals. I could see Bluecoats also winning this show, but for some reason my mind has been made up about Crown winning this year since I saw the show at Muncie.
  14. I marched with Troopers in the 80s and find I still enjoy following drum corps, not only nostalgia but also keeping up with present developments and competition. I make it out to 1-2 shows a year. I look forward to the discussion and reconnecting with old friends and making new ones.
  15. Rank - Latest Score - Date and Location of Latest Score (Change from, and date of previous score) Open Class: 1 - 94.20 - Reading Buccaneers - 8/29 Reading PA (+2.50 - 8/22) 2 - 93.55 - Hawthorne Caballeros - 8/29 Bridgeport CT (+2.50 - 8/22) 3 - 92.85 - Cadets² - 8/29 Reading PA (+3.95 - 8/22) 4 - 91.00 - Minnesota Brass - 8/22 St Peter MN (+0.10 - 8/21) 5 - 89.90 - Fusion Core - 8/29 Reading PA (+3.15 - 8/22) 6 - 89.50 - Kidsgrove Scouts - 8/29 Bridgeport CT (+14.55** - 7/25) 7 - 88.60 - White Sabers - 8/29 Reading PA (+2.20 - 8/22) 8 - 87.95 - Atlanta CV - 8/22 Rockmart GA (+7.25 - 8/1) 9 - 84.20 - Long Island Sunrisers - 8/29 Bridgeport CT (+2.25 - 8/22) 10- 83.85 - Carolina Gold - 8/29 Reading PA (+2.00 - 8/22) 11- 82.95 - Connecticut Hurricanes - 8/29 Bridgeport CT (+3.10 - 8/22) 12- 80.65 - Bushwackers - 8/29 Reading PA (+1.40 - 8/22) 13- 78.30 - Skyliners - 8/29 Bridgeport CT (+2.80 - 8/22) Class A: 1 - 83.45 - Govenaires - 8/22 St Peter MN (+0.60 - 8/21) 2 - 76.40 - Alliance - 8/22 Rockmart GA (+3.85 - 8/1) 3 - 75.10 - Kilties - 8/22 St Peter MN (+0.30 - 8/21) 4 - 73.60 - Chops - 8/22 St Peter MN (+2.15 - 8/21) 5 - 69.55 - Cincinnati Tradition - 8/22 Rockmart GA (+11.80* - 8/3) High score 70.55 on 8/1 6 - 68.15 - Erie Thunderbirds - 8/29 Reading PA (+2.90 - 8/1) 7 - 66.30 - Excelsior - 8/29 Bridgeport CT (+2.90 - 8/22) High score 67.30 on 8/2 *score from a DCI show **score from a DCUK/DCE show
  16. Corps (in preforming order): Start Time: 7:30 PM Weather: -The Crossmen Partly Cloudy, high of 97 -The Bluecoats -Carolina Crown -The Blue Devils -Santa Clara Vanguard -Phantom Regiment -The Cadets -The Cavaliers WHO'S ALL GOING??? My Predictions: 1st: Cadets 2nd: BD 3rd: Coats 4th: Crown 5th: SCV 6th: Cavies 7th: Phantom 8th: Crossmen
  17. Greetings DCP Marketplace! I am looking for someone who might have an extra copy of The Blue Devil Book of Drumming they'd be willing to sell, or maybe if you have it on PDF - either way. Have tried eBay for a long time, but no luck. If so ... please feel free to email me: mbdrums@aol.com. Many thanks! Mark
  18. Organized by latest score, on the model of Spandy's DCA thread. For a weighted list of all DCI corps for the past week, see hostrauser's threads in the W.C. forum. For comparative graphs of any two corps over time, select DCP's "Scores / Stats" button above. 1. 82.325 - Blue Devils B (8/8 Indianapolis, IN) [+1.525 8/7] 1st at O.C. Championships; Season Complete (at 1st [15th W.C.]) 2. 80.200 - Vanguard Cadets (8/8 Indianapolis, IN) [+0.900 8/7] 2nd at O.C. Championships; Season Complete (at 2nd [18th W.C.]) 3. 74.075 - Genesis (8/8 Indianapolis, IN) [-1.100 8/7] 3rd at O.C. Championships; Season Complete (at 3rd [23rd W.C.]) 4. 74.050 - Spartans (8/8 Indianapolis, IN) [-0.375 8/7] 4th at O.C. Championships; Season Complete (at 4th [24th W.C.]) 5. 71.575 - Music City (8/7 Indianapolis, IN) [-1.400 8/5] 8th at O.C. Championships; Season Complete (at 6th [27th W.C.]) 6. 71.475 - 7th Regiment (8/8 Indianapolis, IN) [-0.875 8/7] 5th at O.C. Championships; Season Complete (at 5th [25th W.C.]) 7. 71.250 - Gold (8/7 Indianapolis, IN) [-2.875 8/5] 6th at O.C. Championships; Season Complete (at 7th [28th W.C.]) 8. 71.000 - Legends (8/7 Indianapolis, IN) [-2.675 8/5] 7th at O.C. Championships; Season Complete (at 8th [29th W.C.]) 9. 66.250 - Raiders (8/7 Indianapolis, IN) [-2.850 8/5] 9th at O.C. Championships; Season Complete (at 9th [31st W.C.]) 10. 65.450 - Louisiana Stars (7/21 Lafayette, LA) [+3.450 7/15] Season Complete (at 7th) 11. 63.150 - Colt Cadets (8/7 Indianapolis, IN) [-2.850 8/5] 10th at O.C. Championships; Season Complete (at 11th [32nd W.C.]) 12. 61.275 - Guardians (7/19 San Antonio, TX) Season Complete (at 10th) 13. 60.625 - Coastal Surge (8/7 Indianapolis, IN) [-4.350 8/5] 11th at O.C. Championships; Season Complete (at 13th [33rd W.C.]) 14. 58.300 - Golden Empire (7/13 Cerritos, CA) [+0.700 7/12] Season Complete (at 8th) 15. 57.950 - Impulse (7/13 Cerritos, CA) [-0.100 7/12] Season Complete (at 10th) 16. 57.425 - Stentors (8/7 Indianapolis, IN) [-3.800 8/5] 12th at O.C. Championships; Season Complete (at 16th [34th W.C.]) 17. 55.600 - Racine Scouts (8/7 Indianapolis, IN) [-3.250 8/4] 13th at O.C. Championships; Season Complete (at 17th [35th W.C.]) 18. 55.400 - Columbians (7/6 Tri Cities, WA) [+3.200 7/5] Season Complete (at 10th) 19. 51.250 - Blue Saints (8/7 Indianapolis, IN) [+0.325 8/4] 14th at O.C. Championships; Season Complete (at 19th [36th W.C.]) 20. 50.450 - City Sound (7/13 Cerritos, CA) [-0.450 7/12] Season Complete (at 13th) 21. 50.050 - Watchmen (7/13 Cerritos, CA) [+0.500 7/12] Season Complete (at 14th) 22. 47.150 - Blue Devils C (7/13 Cerritos, CA) [-1.000 7/12] Season Complete (at 18th) 23. 46.375 - Patria (8/7 Indianapolis, IN) [+2.425 8/4] 1st in International Class at O.C. Championships; Season Complete (at 23rd [37th W.C.]) 24. 45.650 - Incognito (7/13 Cerritos, CA) [+0.600 7/12] Season Complete (at 19th) 25. 43.700 - Eruption (7/6 Tri Cities, WA) [+2.400 7/5] Season Complete (at 15th) Final scores for all corps.
  19. Rank - Latest Score - Date and Location of Latest Score (Change from, and date of previous score) Open Class: 1 - 94.25 - Caballeros - 8/23 Reading PA (+1.65 - 8/16) 2 - 93.70 - Buccaneers - 8/23 Reading PA (+1.15 - 8/16) 3 - 92.35 - Minnesota Brass - 8/16 St Peter MN (+1.10 - 8/15) 3 - 92.35 - Fusion Core - 8/23 Reading PA (+2.50 - 8/16) 5 - 90.10 - Bushwackers - 8/23 Bridgeport CT (+6.25 - 8/16) 6 - 89.35 - Cadets² - 8/23 Reading PA (+2.0 - 8/16) 7 - 88.60 - Atlanta CV - 8/16 Rockmart GA (+8.25* - 7/26) 8 - 83.75 - Hurricanes - 8/23 Bridgeport CT (+2.55 - 8/16) 9 - 83.50 - Sunrisers - 8/23 Bridgeport CT (+3.20 - 8/9) 10- 82.05 - Carolina Gold - 8/23 Reading PA (-0.95 - 8/16) 11- 79.75 - Windsor Regiment - 8/23 Bridgeport CT (+5.45 - 8/3) 12- 79.35 - Alliance - 8/16 Rockmart GA (+8.45 - 7/25) 13- 73.30 - Skyliners - 8/16 Scranton PA (-0.80 - 8/9) 14- 72.50 - Kilties - 8/16 St Peter MN (+1.15 - 8/15) Class A: 1 - 84.60 - White Sabers - 8/23 Reading PA (+2.20 - 8/16) 2 - 83.25 - Govenaires - 8/16 St Peter MN (+2.15 - 8/15) 3 - 81.10 - Sun Devils - 8/16 Rockmart GA (+8.90 - 7/19) 4 - 71.85 - Excelsior - 8/23 Bridgeport CT (+3.40 - 8/9) 5 - 71.25 - Cincinnati Tradition - 8/16 Rockmart GA (+5.10 - 8/2) *score from a DCI show
  20. I published the following tweets on Finals day: https://twitter.com/CorpsScores/status/498092291064868864 Top 4 scores of all time are: 99.15 (05 Cadets & 02 Cavs) 99.05 (02 Cavs (semis) & 09 BD) 98.9 (10 BD) 98.8 (89 SCV & 03 BD) And then followed it up with https://twitter.com/CorpsScores/status/498101149925642241 I guess I should have mentioned that BD's score last night of 98.95 is both the highest Semis score ever (incorrect! 2002 Cavs was higher) and the third highest score ever. And I was taken to task by user @Brilow7 https://twitter.com/BriLow7/status/498293699017584640 @CorpsScores I have to correct - BD's score last night was the FIFTH highest score ever, since four higher scores have been given. So here's my question: clearly when ranking corps to determine all-time placements, the corps and the score both matter, so the current top of the leaderboard looks like this: Top-Scoring DCI Corps Performances of All Time: 1. 2014 Blue Devils, 99.65 2t. 2005 Cadets and 2002 Cavaliers, 99.15 4t. 2002 Cavaliers at semis, 2009 Blue Devils, 99.05 But when it comes to ranking the top scores of all time, is a score considered to be just the number? or if two corps get assigned the same number, should that be considered two scores? In other words, which of these is more valid: Top DCI Scores of All Time: 1. 99.65 - 2014 Blue Devils 2. 99.15 - 2002 Cavaliers & 2005 Cadets 3. 99.05 - 2002 Cavaliers (semis) & 2009 Blue Devils Or should it be: Top DCI Scores of All Time: 1. 99.65 - 2014 Blue Devils 2t. 99.15 - 2002 Cavaliers & 2005 Cadets 4t. 99.05 - 2002 Cavaliers (semis) & 2009 Blue Devils Obviously, I see both sides, but I see the former as more valid. To me, the score is the number itself, and although 09 BD is the "4th highest scoring corps performance ever", their score of 99.05 is the "3rd highest score ever achieved". Opinions?
  21. Just for the fun of it, I went back to the start of the 2014 season to see which corps had improved the most over the course of the year. I took the first recorded score for each World Class corps, and then compared it to the score they received in their final performance. This turned out to be quite revealing, because not only did the Blue Devils set a new record with their amazing score last Saturday, but they came further than any other corps this year when measured against their own season-opening performance. I think this measure is in some ways even more impressive than a corps' overall placement at the end of the season, because this is a marker of how responsive they were to the judges' comments and how hard they worked to resolve any problems. It's possible that I've entered some incorrect numbers here; please correct this list if there are any mistakes. Final Score First Score Difference Blue Devils 99.650 73.200 26.45 Cavaliers 93.675 67.300 26.375 Blue Knights 91.150 65.150 26 Santa Clara Vanguard 96.075 70.150 25.925 Blue Stars 89.600 63.800 25.8 Colts 85.350 60.400 24.95 Carolina Crown 95.675 70.800 24.875 Cadets 96.875 72.100 24.775 Bluecoats 97.175 72.800 24.375 Crossmen 86.225 62.200 24.025 Phantom Regiment 91.425 68.300 23.125 Troopers 84.775 61.700 23.075 Boston Crusaders 88.950 66.400 22.55 Madison Scouts 87.575 66.200 21.375 Pioneer 68.850 47.500 21.35 Spirit of Atlanta 81.550 60.300 21.25 Mandarins 78.150 57.900 20.25 Pacific Crest 78.900 59.450 19.45 Academy 81.875 63.800 18.075 Cascades 72.250 55.100 17.15 Oregon Crusaders 80.100 66.000 14.1 Jersey Surf 75.800 62.600 13.2
  22. Hey guys, We made an attempt to predict who's going to win drums this year in DCI by crunching numbers from 40ish years of recap scores, and we also discovered some judging trends. If you've got 5 minutes to spare, come check it out! http://www.lonestarpercussion.com/Who-Will-Win-Drums-At-DCI-Finals-Predicting-with-Statistics.html
  23. Lots of agreement early on that this range would be an exciting one to watch as we go into finals. These placement seem to have become consistent since just before San Antonio. So, current placement a lock? percent chance of moving up? percent chance of moving down? Of course if someone moves up, someone has to move down or tie (God forbid). My thoughts: Crossmen: 12th place A LOCK show and performance places them there solidly Troopers: 13th place A LOCK not enough in the show construction to get them higher, too good to move down Colts: 14th place A LOCK this could have been 12th with more talent and cleaner music book sooner voice over not quite right, don't think they are willing to budge much there Spirit: 15th place 40% LOCK 60% Chance to move down show is poorly designed, but they have more talent than some below them and have the finalist experience The Academy: 16th place 50% LOCK 50% Chance to move up better show than SOA all around, some sections as talented, really need to clean OC: 17th place 50% LOCK 50% Chance to move up better show than Academy or SOA, lots to clean yet Pacific Crest: 50% LOCK 50% Chance to move up tidiest show in 15-18 range, gotta turn up the communication and lower individual mistakes
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