BRASSO Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 year over year maybe. we're talking from show one to finals in this thread. From show one to Finals, Blue Stars improved their score by 23.85 points ( if we use Semi's... by 24.20 points ) Crown improved their scores from show one to Finals by 24.45 points. So by this measure, you're correct in that Crown would be " most improved " with a .250- .600 tenths margin over that of the Blue Stars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmc5682 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Is the winner "picked" by who gets the higest score at the beggining of the year?based on how many shows you do, you can only get so many points during the season, so does "the first time out" score determine who is going to win? is it all fixed from that point on? enquiring minds need to know... No, look at how many times BD has had the highest score at the start and still come up a little short at finals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blucru Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 I don't believe that the first score predetermines the winner, but I am thoroughly convinced that it sets the mark for "slotting" the corps for the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plan9 Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 west coast always has the highest "starting" scores...BD has 13 wins... coinkadink? /dons his asbestos gear..hehe BD toured with PR last year in California, had higher scores and did not win at finals! Also, they were just BETTER 13 times! coinkadink? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plan9 Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 I don't believe that the first score predetermines the winner, but I am thoroughly convinced that it sets the mark for "slotting" the corps for the season. Yea, I'm sure they sat down in June after seeing the corps and said, "OK, I've got PR in 9th place, how about you guys?" What a load! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bawker Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Yea, I'm sure they sat down in June after seeing the corps and said, "OK, I've got PR in 9th place, how about you guys?" What a load! I don't think that's what the original comment meant . . .rather, that the first read on a corps at the first few shows establishes a tier system: this summer, at Regiment's first few shows, you could tell that the corps was weaker visually and concept wise than years previous and they were scored as such. The same thing could happen if SCV/BD/whoever has a particularly rough offseason: the judges find a place to put you relative to other groups. . . .but I do think, after that first week, with the aforementioned "tier" groups are put into, it (especially with performance time and then regionals determining step off time later on) it's hard for any unit to break out of said tier during the course of a summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Mickey Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 From the Desk of Dan Acheson: Memorandum on the future of the activity: Venue: Lucas Oil Stadium 2008 through 2017 2009 through 2017 London's Wembly Stadium 2018 through 2020 Champions: 2008 - Phantom Regiment 2009 - Blue Devils 2010 - Cadets 2011 - Carolina Crown 2012 - Cavaliers Corps that will get screwed: 2008 - Blue Devils 2009 - Phantom Regiment 2010 - Carolina Crown 2011 - Troopers 2012 - Cadets I wouldn't believe everything I read, though. I do remember 2005 the Cadets opened about 4 full points behind Cavaliers at FirstBeat (Crown's first show), and I wrote a long email to a friend about the fact that the Cadets had no chance at all for making a run at the Cavaliers (or they could tie the highest score ever). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantombari1 Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Bawker you are correct, I viewed the first show and placed them 7th. It is relatively easy to see how much ground will need to be made up. As mentioned earlier, Phantom needed to make immedaite chamges and didn't. That leads me to believe that something is going on internally at Phantom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plan9 Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 ranking based on first show / corps / first show date ------ final score / final ranking / improvement / improvement ranking1. Blue Devils - 76.1 ..(6/20)--------------- 99.05 (1) +22.95 (3) 2. Cavaliers - 75.1 ....(6/20)---------------- 96.15 (4) +21.10 (9) 3. Bluecoats - 74.9 ....(6/23)--------------- 93.15 (6) +19.20 (11) 4. Cadets - 74.6 ........(6/19)--------------- 97.20 (3) +22.60 (t4) 5. Vanguard - 74.2 ....(6/20)--------------- 95.65 (5) +21.45 (8) 6. Crown - 73.4 .........(6/19)--------------- 97.50 (2) +24.10 (1) 7. Phantom - 72.7.......(6/20)--------------- 89.90 (9) +17.20 (15) 8. Blue Knights - 70.6 (6/23)--------------- 86.45 (11) +15.85 (t18) 9. Boston - 68.9 ........(6/19)---------------- 90.70 (7) +21.80 (6) 10. Blue Stars - 66.2....(6/20)--------------- 90.05 (8) +23.85 (2) 11. Academy - 66.0 .....(6/20)-------------- 83.75 (14) +17.75 (14) 12. Glassmen - 66.0 ....(6/19)-------------- 87.75 (10) +21.75 (7) 13. Troopers - 65.5 ......(6/23)-------------- 85.10 (12) +19.60 (10) 14. Jersey Surf - 64.7 ...(6/30)------------- 78.55 (20) +13.85 (21) 15. Crossmen - 63.8 .....(6/25)------------- 81.65 (16) +17.85 (13) 16. Mandarins - 63.8 ....(6/20)-------------- 79.65 (18) +15.85 (t18) 17. Scouts - 63.7..........(6/20)-------------- 82.40 (15) +18.70 (12) 18. Spirit - 63.7............(6/20)-------------- 80.45 (17) +16.75 (16) 19. Pac Crest - 63.2 .....(6/20)-------------- 79.05 (19) +15.85 (t18) 20. Colts - 63.0 ...........(6/19)--------------- 85.60 (13) +22.60 (t4) 21. Cascades - 62.5 .....(7/3)---------------- 74.95 (22) +12.45 (22) 22. Pioneer - 59.1.........(6/21)-------------- 75.75 (21) +16.65 (17) gives you some idea... as you can see the first shows varied in date, so the scores aren't good to see how the corps ranked on a certain day, but they are comparable as "what did each corps score out of the gate?" This is actually pretty interesting stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMichael1230 Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 BD toured with PR last year in California, had higher scores and did not win at finals! Also, they were just BETTER 13 times! coinkadink? Dude, they were better like 16 times.......I'll leave it at that. G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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