Abbevillekid26 Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 The Cadets won in 1993 one of many reasons why that post is deserving of "lol" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver_King Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 the biggest concern is, to some, new blood shows up, then doesnt stick, leaving the same names...until a plethora of new blood is there, Nick has some points that are very valid.1998...Gmen..wow...new blood...havent been back since 1999 Boston 2000 to the top 5...and since...6th at best. 2001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audiodb Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 I took a look at VFW's from 64-70... (snip cherry-picked stats) Mike, you "take a look" at 1964-1970 VFW every time a discussion about stagnation comes up. And every time, someone points out how adding just one more year (1971) invalidates your contentions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craiga Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 the biggest concern is, to some, new blood shows up, then doesnt stick, leaving the same names...until a plethora of new blood is there, Nick has some points that are very valid.1998...Gmen..wow...new blood...havent been back since 1999 Boston 2000 to the top 5...and since...6th at best. Boston placed 5th again in 2002. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerriTroop Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 Is it stagnation, really? Yes it can get boring to see the same small group of names battling for the top spot every year, but they earn it. Until someone else can reach the pinnacle that those corps have created, we're likely going to see the same names over and over again. I have faith that it's going to happen, and what I really hope to see is a group of 4, 5, 6 or even more corps who are able to take the prize on that second Saturday in August any given year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Boo Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 In the heyday (1946-1971) of the VFW and AL, there were 10 different champions:St. Vinnies HNC (Garfield) Osmond Sac Cavies Kilts RA Troopers SCV St. Lucy's That's a new champion every 2-3 years. DCI had 4 champions in the first 5 years, then only 4 more in the next 33. Just some food for thought. All corps didn't go to Nationals every year. Sometimes the geographic distance was too far and too expensive. This allowed some regional corps that didn't go in other years to go and win. And some corps went to AL one year and VFW another, depending on what they had going for sponsorship. It wasn't until the formation of DCI that all competitive corps went to the same championship every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvs me sum mello! Posted March 15, 2010 Author Share Posted March 15, 2010 And I would count Phantom as a "New" champion, just as much as I would count SCV being a "new" champion should they win this year. They are something out of the norm for the past decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vferrera Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 All corps didn't go to Nationals every year. Sometimes the geographic distance was too far and too expensive. This allowed some regional corps that didn't go in other years to go and win. And some corps went to AL one year and VFW another, depending on what they had going for sponsorship. It wasn't until the formation of DCI that all competitive corps went to the same championship every year. That would just make it easier for a perennial contender to win. For examples, Cavaliers went to VFW every year from 1955 to 1970. If there was less competition for the reasons you state, then they would have won even more. Yet, there were 6 different VFW champions during that 16-year period. DCI's record of 4 new champions, and 7 different champions overall from 1977 to 2009 still seems anomalous compared to VFW in the 50s and 60s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 2001 thanks...i forgot that show. loved the soloist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 Boston placed 5th again in 2002. ah, i remembered 6th...thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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