Corps loyalty

[Lance]

Why is it anybody's business where a kid chooses to march?

Goodness.

[Room_101]

Wouldn't it be be great too if college athletes could leave their teams and have coaches at Duke, North Carolina take those Juniors and Seniors that have played basketball at other schools ? This way, when Duke or North Carolina win a national title, and their seniors graduate, the Coaches at Duke and North Carolina don't have to recruit High School players. They could take a look at all the experienced players that want to play at their school, and take a handful of the best. This way, Duke and North Carolina can be like the Blue Devils or Cadets, or Cavaliers every year. Players could play at ( say ) Temple, or Texas Tech, or wherever, be the best player on that team and league, and then move to Duke or North Carolina to help them win another Title. I agree with you... " a person should be able to go where they want, when they want".

Plus, look at Texas or USC in college football. Wouldn't it be great that when they lose their starting QB or best running back to the Pros or to graduation, that they could look around the country and see which QB or RB from any other team that is doing really well, might want to come and be the QB and RB for the Texas Longhorns or the USC Trojans. This would help Texas and USC be on top ever year, and who would be opposed to that ? Thus, maybe the NCAA could do away with their transfer rule and adopt the DCI model, where players can go wherever they want, whenever they want, just as you said. This way, just like DCI we should be able to have the same 2-3 win every year in basketball and football. This would be good for the fans to see such competition and help the sport to grow, just like DCI as grown over the last 30 years. People like to watch exciting competition at the top, and the DCI model should be something the NCAA should allow too. They might be able to eliminate the 64 round robin tournament called " March Madness " and just go to the " top acts " of the same Final Eight each year. No need for a Cinderella teams like Butler last year to gum up the works for the Top Acts of college basketball too.

Sarcasm noted!

The onus should be on the corps to attract and retain membership.

I think this is the key. Once upon a time, Carolina Crown and the Bluecoats were both "feeder corps." Not any longer! This "corps loyalty" is only created when the corps gain the respect that this loyalty merits.

[bawker]

Why is it anybody's business where a kid chooses to march?

Goodness.

Hey, man, everything eventually ends up being someones bidness here on DCP.

[BRASSO]

Why is it anybody's business where a kid chooses to march?

Goodness.

or a college player decides to play ball ? why not just let Duke and Carolina take the best transfers in the country each and every year ? And Texas, USC, Florida, LSU ? These programs have huge advantages getting the best freshmen recruits in the country. But some of these freshmen don't work out. But if ( for example ) Texas and Florida can take transfers right away, they'll know who the best players that are underclassmen are at all the positions in the country, and if they can get these transfers like this, this could really help them a LOT to stay on top. Sometimes teams like USC in football or North Carolina in basketball ( like last year ) have to rebuild for a year,.. maybe 2, before getting back at or near the top. This way, they wont have to rebuild or reload at all. They can stay in the top each and every year with transfers. They could just take the best talent out there in the college ranks. If, for instance, their QB graduates and the back up QB is just soso, drop him, and immediately get the best QB in the country that wants to get a ring and a title. Just like in DCI. It's worked well in DCI, where over 80% of the titles the last 35 years have been won by 3 Corps. It makes for competition excitement on the part of fans too, where " on any given Saturday... "

Edited June 16, 2010 by BRASSO

[Rifuarian]

or a college player decides to play ball ? why not just let Duke and Carolina take the best transfers in the country each and every year ? And Texas, USC, Florida, LSU ? These programs have huge advantages getting the best freshmen recruits in the country. But some of them don't work out. But if ( for example ) Texas and Florida can take transfers right away, they'll know who the best players that are underclassmen are at all the positions in the country, and if they can get these transfers like this, this could really help them a LOT to stay on top. Sometimes teams like USC in football or North Carolina in basketball ( like last year ) have to rebuild for a year,.. maybe 2, before getting back at or near the top. This way, they wont have to rebuild or reload at all. They can stay in the top each and every year with transfers. They could just take the best talent out there in the college ranks. If a QB gaduates and the back up QB is just soso, drop him, and immediately get the best QB in the country that wants to get a ring and a title. Just like in DCI.

Maybe you'd have a point if marchers agreed to a 4-5 year commitment when they joined a corps, and received full scholarships for the entire commitment.

[bartyount]

First - a person should have the freedom to choose to go where they want regardless of where they've been in the past. You may agree with their choices or not, but it's ultimately their decision (there should not be rules to restrict movement between corps).

Second - I used to put more stock in "corps loyalty", but after awhile I realized that alot of corps are willing to dump a vet for a more talented rookie. So if there's no loyalty from the corps to the members, why should there be loyalty from members to the corps?

[Lance]

or a college player decides to play ball ? why not just let Duke and Carolina take the best transfers in the country each and every year ? And Texas, USC, Florida, LSU ? These programs have huge advantages getting the best freshmen recruits in the country. But some of these freshmen don't work out. But if ( for example ) Texas and Florida can take transfers right away, they'll know who the best players that are underclassmen are at all the positions in the country, and if they can get these transfers like this, this could really help them a LOT to stay on top. Sometimes teams like USC in football or North Carolina in basketball ( like last year ) have to rebuild for a year,.. maybe 2, before getting back at or near the top. This way, they wont have to rebuild or reload at all. They can stay in the top each and every year with transfers. They could just take the best talent out there in the college ranks. If, for instance, their QB graduates and the back up QB is just soso, drop him, and immediately get the best QB in the country that wants to get a ring and a title. Just like in DCI. It's worked well in DCI, where over 80% of the titles the last 35 years have been won by 3 Corps. It makes for competition excitement on the part of fans too, where " on any given Saturday... "

Top college athletes get compensated with many thousands of dollars over several years to do what they do (oftentimes, well over $100K). Even benchwarmers get nice scholarships. One folly among many in the point your trying to make.

It's vaporous to compare that to drum corps, where kids go out and spend a few thousand dollars to participate in an activity and also give up the time to make several thousand dollars working, even at minimum wage.

[BRASSO]

Maybe you'd have a point if marchers agreed to a 4-5 year commitment when they joined a corps, and received full scholarships for the entire commitment.

No not really. Schools and Coaches can drop a player from the team... and thereby loss of scholarship... for any reason whatsoever. If the Coach doesn't like the deodorant the player uses... anything at all.... he can drop the player and pull his scholie. Players likewise can leave a team at a school for any reason. But they forfeit a year.. they have to sit out ( Div. 1 ) a year before being allowed to play at another school. the NCAA put this rule in effect for a reason. And that reason needs no explanation, as it's so obvious that it's just about self explanatory. Well less than 35 % of incoming frosh that get a scholie at some schools make it through 4 years at that school. The difference between DCI and the athletes is essentially the transfer rule. Some college band members, due to financial aid and family economic situations go to school almost tuition free as well. Some, like myself, went to college on the GI bill, where college was essentially paid fully for.

Edited June 16, 2010 by BRASSO

[2000Cadet]

Maybe you'd have a point if marchers agreed to a 4-5 year commitment when they joined a corps, and received full scholarships for the entire commitment.

...or got paid for marching, instead of paying for marching.

[Rifuarian]

No not really. Schools and Coaches can drop a player from the team... and thereby loss of scholarship... for any reason whatsoever. If the Coach doesn't like the deodorant the player uses... anything at all.... he can drop the player and pull his scholie. Players likewise can leave a team at a school for any reason. But they forfeit a year.. they have to sit out ( Div. 1 ) a year before being allowed to play at another school. the NCAA put this rule in effect for a reason. And that reason needs no explanation, as it's so obvious that it's just about self explanatory.

No, it doesn't need an explanation. What does need an explanation is the relevancy of the NCAA transfer rule to drum corps.

Edited June 16, 2010 by Rifuarian