camel lips Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 I wouldn't call 09 easy. but they have been stuck in this niche of storytelling shows that have produced mixed results and mixed reactions.if they really want to break out, IMO, stop telling stories...because in the end, they over tell the story and it distracts people from the corps For once I agree with you Jeff. Its not so much the story telling but its the story they are telling. The problem I see with Cadets is they back themselves into a corner with these shows and when its not working they cannot back out of them. If George is going to play poker with the Cadets he needs to be less pot committed and just make value bets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMichael1230 Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 (edited) It's really simple. The Cadets are held to a very high standard. They came along in the early eighties on a destined path of (DCI) greatness. Broke the west coast stranglehold on the championships and set the entire activity on its ear. They were so far advanced that it took many years for the other corps the catch up, and eventually surpass them. Now, we have a corps whos director wants to recapture that greatness and again set the world afire. Unfortunately the things he is trying/proposing are coming with such rapid implementation that all the effort and energy are being wasted trying to break new ground instead of just letting it happen naturtally. When you have world class Brass, guard, percussion, and visual..how onearth can you be satisfied with rabbits, red-queens, living rooms, silly narration, out of sync singing, a door, drum speak, overbearing synths, amps, shoddy narration and other elements that put what you do/did best in the background ??? Its time for George to take a less pro-active role in the design of the show and let the Cadets become what they once were. Respected, celebrated, formidable, feared, cutting edge, head-scratching, jaw-dropping drum corps. G Edited August 18, 2010 by GMichael1230 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoaster Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 When you have world class Brass, guard, percussion, and visual..how onearth can you be satisfied with rabbits, red-queens, living rooms, silly narration, out of sync singing, a door, drum speak, overbearing synths, amps, shoddy narration and other elements that put what you do/did best in the background ??? HEY! From my understanding the Door scored very well! Leave the Door alone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohbaby Posted August 18, 2010 Author Share Posted August 18, 2010 It's really simple. The Cadets are held to a very high standard. They came along in the early eighties on a destined path of (DCI) greatness. Broke the west coast stranglehold on the championships and set the entire activity on its ear. They were so far advanced that it took many years for the other corps the catch up, and eventually surpass them. Now, we have a corps whos director wants to recapture that greatness and again set the world afire. Unfortunately the things he is trying/proposing are coming with such rapid implementation that all the effort and energy are being wasted trying to break new ground instead of just letting it happen naturtally. When you have world class Brass, guard, percussion, and visual..how onearth can you be satisfied with rabbits, red-queens, living rooms, silly narration, out of sync singing, a door, drum speak, overbearing synths, amps, shoddy narration and other elements that put what you do/did best in the background ??? Its time for George to take a less pro-active role in the design of the show and let the Cadets become what they once were. Respected, celebrated, formidable, feared, cutting edge, head-scratching, jaw-dropping drum corps. G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glory Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 From my understanding the Door scored very well! Ditto. Cadets '05 was visionary in conception and nearly perfect in execution. Some people quibble (obviously) with aspects of the design, but you can't argue that that design prevented Cadets from excelling in most captions. The door, the drumspeak, the narration were components of a superior show - like it or not. And it just goes to show show how there is no formula for this. What worked so excellently one year didn't work nearly so well in subsequent ones. HH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMichael1230 Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 Ditto. Cadets '05 was visionary in conception and nearly perfect in execution. Some people quibble (obviously) with aspects of the design, but you can't argue that that design prevented Cadets from excelling in most captions. The door, the drumspeak, the narration were components of a superior show - like it or not.And it just goes to show show how there is no formula for this. What worked so excellently one year didn't work nearly so well in subsequent ones. HH They may have walked through the door with great success but since entering the room, they sure dont know how to own it. G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dckid80 Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 On a side note... Just a couple of years back GH was panned for that moving/playing start to the show. Like it nor not now everyone is doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFZFAN Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 They may have walked through the door with great success but since entering the room, they sure dont know how to own it. G I still didn't like the Door show. Such fantastic drum corps going on, the gimmics were just a distraction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rifuarian Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 Ditto. Cadets '05 was visionary in conception and nearly perfect in execution. Some people quibble (obviously) with aspects of the design, but you can't argue that that design prevented Cadets from excelling in most captions. The door, the drumspeak, the narration were components of a superior show - like it or not.And it just goes to show show how there is no formula for this. What worked so excellently one year didn't work nearly so well in subsequent ones. HH I think there is a bit of a formula. Or at least a rule . . . knowing when enough is enough. '05 worked because it used all those toys sparingly. A bit of narration at the beginning, one fairly simple prop, one character actor per number until the end, the beat box. That was it. Small tastes scattered throughout. Of course it was the spotless execution and the exceptional music and visual which actually won, and which would have won without doors or schoolgirls or narration. But in the years after '05 Hopkins seemed to be operating under the delusion that if a little bit of something is good, then a lot of it must be even better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris ncsu Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 The Cadets often get stuff right the first time, but not the subsequent times. They got West Side Story right in 1984 (1994 and 2009 were great, but pale compared to 1984) They got one-piece symphonic right in 1987 They got the guard character right in 1991 They got World War II right in 1995 They got OMG THAT WAS HARD right in 1997 They got weird and voice right in 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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