BozzlyB Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 Lol, people really enjoying the "multiquote" option in this thread! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie1223 Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 (edited) Ugh... I refuse to debate with crazy people any more... they have too much time on their hands and are running out of straws to grab onto... If only Jeff Ream would run DCI he could fix it. He seems to have all the imaginary answers that will work in an ideal and fantasy world of drum corps... hey Jeff Ream, Your arguments and solutions are null because you're assuming the "ideal" conditions and frankly, the world isn't ideal, people try to make it ideal but there are costs and benefits to everything, we try to minimize the costs and maximize the benefits but there are always winners and losers. DCI isn't going to magically create the formula that philosophers for thousands of years have been trying to create. Nothing is completely ideal, not everyone is going to be happy, people WILL be more advantageous than others. Wake up, we have to pick our poison, whatever that may be... Would I love for all corps to be in the spot light? Yes. Would I love for all corps to get the same amount of money? Yes. Would I love for all corps to be on an equal playing field during a competition? Yes. Are all these things even remotely possible in capitalist driven world and given the human condition? NO. They are all good things you preach Jeff but they aren't realistic. Sorry. Edited December 21, 2010 by charlie1223 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 Well, Gosh! just because EVERY CORPS is super amazing doesn't mean I have the time to watch every single one of them in one sitting! The only thing that can make this show worth while is the "EXTRA" stuff that's supposed to happen. If those things don't happen TOC will be a complete flop. Just because I WANT to see the top 8 play their shows and do encores doesn't mean I don't appreciate or like other corps or their encores!!! CAn you understand that?!?!?!! I do. Even if you refuse to see any of my points. Oh and thanks for calling me crazy above. I think that's kind of a violation of the guidelines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 And that's what this all boils down to. I don't blame people for voicing how much they don't like dci today. But most of the suggestions for improvement from the vocal dci haters on here involve making dci like it was back when they happened to love it. And then they call others selfish. It's just weird. a serious question for you: if DCI had more fans in the past, had more corps in the past...why was that so bad? I mean DCI is a business...and if a business keeps doing all these new things, and it keeps affecting the bottom line in bad ways....is that smart? and the guys that made the system now cry it's broken. so how are we selfish for saying "maybe some of the old ways weren't so bad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 I see differences in the original G-7 proposal, and the electronics proposal that make them non comparable. For one, no one boycotted shows while the electronics proposal was on the table. Electronics was about the inclusion of another "voice" for designers to use. The original G-7 proposal was distasteful to FAR more directors than were for it, and I have yet to hear a convincing argument that anyone not for it would change their mind. In fact, the G-7 issue is much more like woodwinds, the ultimate goal of a very few individuals, with almost no chance of ever happening due to the HUGE lack of support in general. and as such, you totally miss the comparison to amps. Because DCI has lost fans from the addition of amps and all that came with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie1223 Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 (edited) I do. Even if you refuse to see any of my points. Oh and thanks for calling me crazy above. I think that's kind of a violation of the guidelines Well, if you make the assumption that you're one of the crazy people I'm arguing with that's on you. hey Jeff Ream, Your "points", arguments and solutions are null because you're assuming the "ideal" conditions and frankly, the world isn't ideal, people try to make it ideal but there are costs and benefits to everything, we try to minimize the costs and maximize the benefits but there are always winners and losers. DCI isn't going to magically create the formula that philosophers for thousands of years have been trying to create. Nothing is completely ideal, not everyone is going to be happy, people WILL be more advantageous than others. Wake up, we have to pick our poison, whatever that may be... Would I love for all corps to be in the spot light? Yes. Would I love for all corps to get the same amount of money? Yes. Would I love for all corps to be on an equal playing field during a competition? Yes. Are all these things even remotely possible in capitalist driven world and given the human condition? NO. They are all good things you preach Jeff but they aren't realistic. Sorry. Edited December 21, 2010 by charlie1223 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 Lol, people really enjoying the "multiquote" option in this thread! DCP is like the government and spending...if you have excess bandwidth and you dont use it, you lose it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 Ugh... I refuse to debate with crazy people any more... they have too much time on their hands and are running out of straws to grab onto... If only Jeff Ream would run DCI he could fix it. He seems to have all the imaginary answers that will work in an ideal and fantasy world of drum corps... hey Jeff Ream, Your arguments and solutions are null because you're assuming the "ideal" conditions and frankly, the world isn't ideal, people try to make it ideal but there are costs and benefits to everything, we try to minimize the costs and maximize the benefits but there are always winners and losers. DCI isn't going to magically create the formula that philosophers for thousands of years have been trying to create. Nothing is completely ideal, not everyone is going to be happy, people WILL be more advantageous than others. Wake up, we have to pick our poison, whatever that may be... Would I love for all corps to be in the spot light? Yes. Would I love for all corps to get the same amount of money? Yes. Would I love for all corps to be on an equal playing field during a competition? Yes. Are all these things even remotely possible in capitalist driven world and given the human condition? NO. They are all good things you preach Jeff but they aren't realistic. Sorry. for starters, you are putting words into my mouth. At no time have I claimed to have all of the solutions. Nor am I crazy. I can get you get doctor's proof if you like. Do I think I can fix all of DCI's issues? no. but i fail to see how promoting 8 over all helps fix it. In every sales and marketing class I have ever taken, I've never seen an example of such promotion and marketing. and based on your words, your "love" for what all corps would get is not true. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glory Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 ...This is what is called socialism. And I'm not crazy political person, but it's just obvious that that kind of system, where everyone is treated equally, is called socialism. In a capitalist society, socialism just doesn't work. We aren't some Jewish Commune in Israel... I knew it would come to this: We Jews getting blamed for TOC! Kidding, of course! HH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glory Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 Lol, people really enjoying the "multiquote" option in this thread! I can't figure out how to use it. I must be stupid. Could that explain why I might buy a ticket to a TOC event? HH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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