PioneerPride Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 I'll admit that I really want a corps such as Alliance to stir the pot. Much like MBI has done in the past. I was looking at recaps and it looks like at least musically Alliance can hang with some of the better corps. Looks like their visual numbers, specifically their guard number, is lagging behind. I'm with you. I'd love to see Alliance stir up the pot in the near future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PioneerPride Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Could it be that the panel was just less generous? Or maybe they performed very well but weren't as good as last week? It's not written in stone that corps get better from week to week. Things can happen. Show changes or additions, ... Well stated I think. Where is it written that scores have to go up? How many times have we seen a corps be no better weeks later but their score has improved, sometimes dramatically? That's never made sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PioneerPride Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 You're very new to DCA then, the name Mark Thurston comes to mind very quickly. Are you saying that "drum guys" can't judge music ensemble A person judging music ensemble should have the ability to evaluate how the percussion and brass book is working together to create a singular musical idea, taking into account both technical/construction and performance. My understanding is that entertainment is on the sheet as well, at least I think it is. If I'm wrong, I've been misinformed. To me, a good ensemble judge has to have the ability to take apart both brass and perc at the performance level to help understand and award the good , as well as single out things that might not be working and have a technical response for the constructive criticism they are giving. If a person is solely a brass or perc guy, you know what will happen; they will probably lean towards what they are familiar with. Sure, anyone can say "that's out of tune" or "you snares didn't play that together", but only a person with experience at constructing them both can get to the nitty gritty and give detailed information. Just my opinion, but the performers deserve that. Also if just saying obvious things like that is acceptable, hell anyone that has half an ear and a little bit of experience could effectively judge the sheet. I doubt thats what the powers that be at DCA want. I guess the best ensemble guy is someone who has solid experience teaching both perc and brass, probably band director/conductor types? A person who only expertise is only limited to one family of instruments probably wouldn't do as good a job at it. So to answer the previous thread, I have no idea whether Thurston applies or not. However, if he doesn't have the ability to effectively rehearse a brass line or understand and evaluate the technical components of it and be able to translate them in his commentary, then he wouldn't be qualified. I have no idea one way or the other if he is or not, just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fastone Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 A person judging music ensemble should have the ability to evaluate how the percussion and brass book is working together to create a singular musical idea, taking into account both technical/construction and performance. My understanding is that entertainment is on the sheet as well, at least I think it is. If I'm wrong, I've been misinformed. To me, a good ensemble judge has to have the ability to take apart both brass and perc at the performance level to help understand and award the good , as well as single out things that might not be working and have a technical response for the constructive criticism they are giving. If a person is solely a brass or perc guy, you know what will happen; they will probably lean towards what they are familiar with. Sure, anyone can say "that's out of tune" or "you snares didn't play that together", but only a person with experience at constructing them both can get to the nitty gritty and give detailed information. Just my opinion, but the performers deserve that. Also if just saying obvious things like that is acceptable, hell anyone that has half an ear and a little bit of experience could effectively judge the sheet. I doubt thats what the powers that be at DCA want. I guess the best ensemble guy is someone who has solid experience teaching both perc and brass, probably band director/conductor types? A person who only expertise is only limited to one family of instruments probably wouldn't do as good a job at it. So to answer the previous thread, I have no idea whether Thurston applies or not. However, if he doesn't have the ability to effectively rehearse a brass line or understand and evaluate the technical components of it and be able to translate them in his commentary, then he wouldn't be qualified. I have no idea one way or the other if he is or not, just saying. Which is why my "drum guy" was in quotes. There happens to be quite a few judges out there nowadays that are adept at evaluating the merits of each segment competently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Adam Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Hello Mr. Big Adam Thank you for writing this post. It seems Fusion is being attacked for no reason except for vanity. I do however disagree with you on one point.. Chairman Dances was a piece music intended for dance. I hope this link works...... Olive hahaha.... I knew some one was going to call me out on that point.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Adam Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 No, I criticized Fusion because I was asked to, not because there's an ax to grind (I have never had any connection to the corps at all). And also because to me, this year's program is a huge disappointment. Seems to me a few folks need to grow a thicker skin. When you perform in a public entertainment medium, you're going to be criticized. I've criticized other corps as well, including my old corps in Reading. I've also been VERY complementary towards Fusion and many other corps. Sadly, some people seem to forget that. As for Fusion's critique, you might be surprised just how many people agree with me, even folks associated with Fusion. I've been getting PM's all day to that effect. Well good... I guess you're right then. Every point you brought up just now makes me agree with you and I guess you have every right now to be repugnant rather than constructive. And I certainly think it's appropriate to create some controversy within the Fusion community by using your personal conversations to justify your opinion. And you're right maybe people need to grow thicker skin but nobody from Fusion has posted on here so maybe they don't care about what you're saying as much as I do. I may know nothing about this activity or I may know everything, either way I can tell you I don't think Fusion is a "huge dissapointment" and neither did most of the crowd in Kingston. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamarag Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 I may know nothing about this activity or I may know everything, either way I can tell you I don't think Fusion is a "huge dissapointment" and neither did most of the crowd in Kingston. See, there you go jumping to conclusions and taking offense when none was giving. I didn't say Fusion was a huge disappointment, I said their program was. HUGE difference. Clearly you missed the part where I talked about being a huge fan of the corps. Then again, this is why most people don't bother with reviews anymore. If it's not all sunshine and lollipops, folks flip out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Adam Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 See, there you go jumping to conclusions and taking offense when none was giving. I didn't say Fusion was a huge disappointment, I said their program was. HUGE difference. Clearly you missed the part where I talked about being a huge fan of the corps. Then again, this is why most people don't bother with reviews anymore. If it's not all sunshine and lollipops, folks flip out. I'm not offended... I'm just sticking up for them since I would want people to do the same for me but just because you're a fan of them doesn't mean you get to slam people so openly. You can review all you want and you can like or dislike any show you want but what will your review accomplish other than create resentment amongst members/staff/admin etc? Anyway knowing how DCP works we'll probably have 14 more rounds of this before something more interesting happens. :p haha. I'm just stating that I couldn't disagree with your review more and I think there was maybe a better way to go about it. That's all. Should we meet on the playground after school tomorrow? No hard feelings 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkmummer Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 (edited) You're very new to DCA then, the name Mark Thurston comes to mind very quickly. Are you saying that "drum guys" can't judge music ensemble No. I have backgound in both and judge both at the high school level. So I know it can be done and Mark would be one of those guys as well as Paul Smith. However,most of the times I see Mark's name listed on Percussion or GE Music and not M.E.. My point isn't that percussion guys can't judge M.E. You don't see it that often. Meaning that a majority of the time there are qualified horn guys in the box judging ensemble and moving the field guy up is doubling the read. Edited August 10, 2011 by jkmummer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamarag Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 No. I have backgound in both and judge both at the high school level. So I know it can be done and Mark would be one of those guys as well as Paul Smith. However,most of the times I see Mark's name listed on Percussion or GE Music and not M.E.. My point isn't that percussion guys can't judge M.E. You don't see it that often. Meaning that a majority of the time there are qualified horn guys in the box judging ensemble and moving the field guy up is doubling the read. I think we're starting to see more percussion focused judges branching out into music ensemble. I've seen it not only at the drum corps level but at the high school level as well (in several circuits). In my opinion, it's a really good thing. In all honesty, you don't have to be a nuts-and-bolts brass guy (or conversely, percussion guy) to judge music ensemble well, as it's really not a nuts-and-bolts caption. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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