danielray Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 drum corps is like marching band yes. But there ARE differences. High School bands dont tour around the country on a bus every summer. You want to put together a rock concert like promotional gig for bands great. But first, let's fix drum corps. Fixing drum corps involves better engagement with marching band and winter programs. These are the real feeder programs. Improving marching band and winter programs on a national level involves giving more kids an intensive experience on the highest level in drum corps, where they can go back and share their knowledge with marching band programs. You cannot think of them as distinct. It is one big interdependent organism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielray Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 As long as corps like Legends, Racine Scouts, Genesis, et al are being supported by DCI then DCI is fulfilling the 501c3 mission. However, if the G7 proposal (in its entirety, with elimination for support of the aforementioned corps) had passed, I would have been first in line to scream to the IRS that their 501c3 status should have been revoked. How would this be any different than any other performing arts organization? You think that the NY Philharmonic should have their tax status revoked because they aren't pulling kids off the street and teaching them how to play? Again, the role of drum corps is not to teach kids core skills anymore... they can learn how to play in school. Drum corps has a different role now.... that of touring performing arts organizations. Is there a place for corps that take kids off the streets and teach them how to play or give kids with a wide range of talent the opportunity to perform? I think there should be.. but don't believe DCI is the best place for that. It creates too much of a split focus and dilutes the brand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielray Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 thats been a core part of the audience for say, oh ever. you have to have them for when you can't get the regular joes in off the streets. and guess what...modern design isnt going to do that Group ticket sales are becoming, and absolutely should become, a larger part of the audience. This is where the sponsorship money is. I'm convinced DCI could make more money by selling cheap group tickets and filling up the stands with as many band kids as possible. This is exactly what major sponsors will pay for. Each show should have busload after busload of kids. This is the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielray Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 ok 12 with 19 is ok, but 15 with 21 isnt. your logic fails somewhere here yeah... there is no life changing event that happens to kids between the ages of 18-21 that creates a bit of a gap between them and younger kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audiodb Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Can I quantify this? Yes. Can I quantify this to you? No. It's not my place to give out any internal data... not mine. If you want it, ask the owners of the data and see if they will give it to you. So make it a hypothetical, then. Here, I'll help. Say the Old Bridge show drew $40,000 in ticket sales. How much of it was "drawn" in by which entities? Madison Scouts Boston Crusaders Spirit of Atlanta Crossmen Jersey Surf Raiders Bridgemen YEA! DCI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielray Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 So make it a hypothetical, then. Here, I'll help. Say the Old Bridge show drew $40,000 in ticket sales. How much of it was "drawn" in by which entities? Madison Scouts Boston Crusaders Spirit of Atlanta Crossmen Jersey Surf Raiders Bridgemen YEA! DCI Oh.... I love story problems. The correct response to this question is "not enough info". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audiodb Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Well, what else do you need to know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielray Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Well, what else do you need to know? Stadium costs, security costs, emergency services costs, agreements between DCI and show sponsor (amount? net? gross? included expenses?), % of tickets paid by check or credit card (and anticipated % of these as NSF or chargeback), were tickets sold directly or through venue outlet, number of group tickets sold through corps, marketing costs, judging panel size/fees, additional personnel costs, insurance costs, any deposits or bonded fees, etc. That's the list off the top of my head... if I took a few minutes to think about it... would probably have a few more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audiodb Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Stadium costs, security costs, emergency services costs, agreements between DCI and show sponsor (amount? net? gross? included expenses?), % of tickets paid by check or credit card (and anticipated % of these as NSF or chargeback), were tickets sold directly or through venue outlet, number of group tickets sold through corps, marketing costs, judging panel size/fees, additional personnel costs, insurance costs, any deposits or bonded fees, etc. That's the list off the top of my head... if I took a few minutes to think about it... would probably have a few more. Thanks for proving my point in so many ways. 1. First and foremost, all this talk of the "draw" of individual corps on a show lineup is just smoke and mirrors. It ignores the role of TEPs, group ticket sellers, and DCI itself in the marketing and sales efforts. Even you admit it now, as you include group ticket sales, marketing costs, and a host of venue and supporting services as part of the calculation. 2. It is interesting to note how many of the items you cite are unaffected by which individual corps are in the show lineup. The stadium doesn't change their rental fee based on whether Blue Devils or Blue Knights are in the show. Security doesn't change their fee based on whether Blue Devils or Blue Knights are in the show. EMTs do not charge different amounts based on which uniform the treated corps member is wearing, etc. 3. Care to modify your previous statement about this being "very easily quantified"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Can I quantify this? Yes. Can I quantify this to you? No. It's not my place to give out any internal data... not mine. If you want it, ask the owners of the data and see if they will give it to you. I can simply comment on it. It's not like I'm talking about seeing a UFO or something... it is just numbers that any logical, rational human would say "ah, yeah.. that makes sense". You are letting emotion cloud your views. data can be skewed. ask Enron or any of the mega banks that failed in the last few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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