pmaustin Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 (edited) Really, this is a little confusing. Let's clear things up with a question and answer round shall we? Q: How much would it cost to give the mini-corps tapes? A: Probably nothing as the recorders already exist, and creating mp3s is free. Q: Would adding tapes to mini-corps add to or detract from the legitimacy of the competition? A: Add, because the judges opinions would be captured and it would allow the corps to hear where they can improve on for the next season. Q: Would adding tapes to mini-corps inconvenience the judges or the fans in any way? A: I don't really see how, as long as they weren't yelling into the tape recorders? Q: I&E performances don't have tapes, why is mini-corps different? A: Two answers. One, the number of I&E competitors is HUGE, and providing each of them with a tape would be a logistical nightmare. Whereas mini-corps has ~10 competing corps so the logistical impact would be insignificant. Two, the length of a mini-corps performance, and the amount of TIME that a group puts into the planning of a routine is VASTLY different than anything in the I&E competition. To try and wrap up comments to something as long as a mini-corps performance in a few handwritten lines leaves a lot of questions unanswered, and can in no way be specific enough to address any questions members might have. Q: So, if giving tapes to mini-corps wouldn't cost anything, and the logistical impact would be negligible, what reason is there for not adding tapes to the competition? A: ????????????????????? Honestly, I feel like some people are being a little too defensive. Other than the OP's tone, he has a good point. Tapes can be very valuable to the corps by giving necessary comments for people to improve upon, they add legitimacy to the competition by putting everything on the record, and at the very least it gives the corps a small souvenir to tape home after their performance. When the corps put SO much time and effort into putting together a performance for the crowd, I don't see any reason why DCA can't provide them with a tape or two, especially since it wouldn't add any cost to the show, or add logistical issues. Sir, Thank you for taking the time to read though a number of posts filled with largely hot air and uninformed opinions. You have captured the issue, and our stated goal - i.e. to enhance our ability to put on a better performance/show each and every year, by leveraging enhanced feedback from the judges - in whatever form that ultimately takes - audio recording, critique, revised scoring sheets, or a combination of the above. No other agenda - Period. Edited September 7, 2012 by pmaustin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishbonecav Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Whaddaya mean NOBODY???? (And the tape recorder comment is a riot!) This has been a fun read since last night. What nobody really seems to realize or admit is that the whole I&E is just a PARTY to get the weekend started. I spent 25 year as a DCA director and I can tell you that if we spent 5 minutes total talking about mini corps championships at a DCA meeting, It was alot. One year they demanded a podium, One year they demanded music stands, one year a stage etc etc.When does it end guys? Im sure if zero mini corps signed up, The championships would continue. Even with only 7 corps in the mini corps this year, DCA had the best payed attendance at the shows since 1996. you guys want tapes? Bring them and a tape recorder yourself and hand it to the judge before you perform, See, Its that easy. And im going with my original feeling, Its just sour grapes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Haring Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Personally, I had a blast as the emcee/announcer for the mini-corps show this year... it's the first time I've done the announcing at that venue. I hope I get another chance next year, and I hope the mini-corps continue to do their thing and entertain us for years to come!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishbonecav Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Its becoming more and more apparent as the thread goes on. BINGO, So if the other competitors cant get them, Then NOBODY gets them, Thats sounds fair to me or are the mini corps special? Sour grapes, thats all this argument is about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Jeff - you come across as the unreasonable one on this thread. The gentleman had an honest concern which you did not take time to understand what the issue was about. Simply put - he wants something more than a few words on a piece of paper. The judges have the time - let them help to improve the shows. Given the fact that the digital tech in place for the field corps is in place - the incremental cost to provide it to the I&E and Mimi programs is ZILCH. Very poor on your part to tell the Mini folks - ah go home and don't come back ! The activity is challenged and we want to sustain it, not see it fold in a few more seasons. Your approach of potentially turning people off of the activity really is so opposite your usual support for keeping it going. You don't have to agree with commentary - but don't put it down so hard either unless you have substantive reasons which make sense. I understand his issue. I totally disagree with his approach. Minis have a rep of making tons of demands and creating drama. if he had like DA gone about things with his posts, no issue from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 I know nobody cares, but *my* take on all this: Crunchy Frog "Got It"... I&E/Mini used to be a night to blow off some steam, party with some friends and just entertain a crowd. Almost every Minicorps was made up of competing corps members that just loved to play; nothing more. (Especially when I&E/Minis came after Prelims) Scores were irrelevant (105!?) - it was all about Camaraderie and Just Plain FUN for performers and fans alike. Now it's all so.. gal-dang serious, what with recording rights/expenses and all, that most of the FUN has been taken out of it... (Shrug) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Jeff are you having a bad insurance day or what - you are realy cranky versus your usual words of wisdom. I am having a wonderful day actually, and these are words of wisdom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Of course, Jeff's done neither. Then again, you could say "Another year where the sun rises in the east, sets in the west and a bunch of members of mini-corps that got spanked bad mouth DCA for allegedly not doing enough, while moaning about judging." this wins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 This has been a fun read since last night. What nobody really seems to realize or admit is that the whole I&E is just a PARTY to get the weekend started. I spent 25 year as a DCA director and I can tell you that if we spent 5 minutes total talking about mini corps championships at a DCA meeting, It was alot. One year they demanded a podium, One year they demanded music stands, one year a stage etc etc.When does it end guys? Im sure if zero mini corps signed up, The championships would continue. Even with only 7 corps in the mini corps this year, DCA had the best payed attendance at the shows since 1996. you guys want tapes? Bring them and a tape recorder yourself and hand it to the judge before you perform, See, Its that easy. And im going with my original feeling, Its just sour grapes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Of course if you want to make stuff up you could say that John...but you see Jeff and I go way back and I will bust his balls at will...but thank you for playing! it's all good. I mean next, being a Pats fan and all, you'll want to videotape the other mini's rehearsals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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