N.E. Brigand Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 They aren't the same. At all. It does no one any good to try and hold up the fiction that all drum corps are equals when it comes to financial capacity or audience appeal. They're not. It's not to say that the smaller, local corps are failing because they're not Phantom Regiment or BD -- it's to say that's not what they're there to accomplish. They're about the experience of learning drum corps, not trying to win Finals. Baseball has a farm system. The major teams support those farm leagues, but they don't promote their games as being 'the same' as major league games, or the players at the AAA level as being the equals of major league all stars. It doesn't mean that the majors are dissing the farm teams, it means that they're simply recognizing that most competitive endeavors that require specific training and skills have pecking orders, and that those who are just learning shouldn't be competing with those who are already veterans at the game. Run drum corps like a business, rather than a pee wee soccer league, and perhaps they can find a way to grow the overall pool of dollars available, at every level of the activity. I can agree with much of this, but want a system in place that does not make it impossible for corps to move up or down -- and that's what SE7EN seemed to be proposing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesman Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I like this solution. But if George Hopkins is secretary will he expect to be taken to lunch on Administrative Professionals Day or will a Denny's gift certificate be ok? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpball15 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Yup, one more pointless and damaging giveaway to keep the peace against the G7's outrageous and counterproductive demands... Just like the TOC giveaway, this compromise is very risky for the non-G7. I fear you are correct. The ring leaders are by no means done. Rather they are now in positions to make things even muddier and to once again torment their lowly non-G7 counterparts from within. The foxes are back in the hen house. May the heavens continue to watch over Dan Acheson. We shall continue to need him at the helm of DCI. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 if George Hopkins is secretary will he expect to be taken to lunch on Administrative Professionals Day or will a Denny's gift certificate be ok? Waffles ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 ok they can use judges that judge for DCI...but not the sheets or judging system. Why should they be allowed if DCI gets nothing for it? I mean Apple doesn't let Samsung use Apple products to create their own stuff unless they are getting cash Oh, I thought you were referring to judges, not the sheets/system. However, I support whatever DCI decides it wants to do, and in this case they went a different direction from your POV. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Those 7 corps were in DCI the past three years, but I would not consider their boardroom behavior "working together" with the rest of DCI. The increasing separation of 7 shows and non-7 shows does not exemplify "working together" either. They have remained inside DCI and have participated all season long. What is the problem with that? The seven corps ran DCI shows that contained primarily non-TOC corps. I attended two such shows, actually. They all participated very extensively within the organization of DCI. Okay, say the other corps ran their own corporation to handle the rest of the shows. They give their organization a catchy name, like Drum Corps International. Then, they do not allow BD, Crown, PR, Cadets, SCV, Bluecoats or Cavaliers access to any of their shows. Would you object to that? In the case above, sure I would object. The seven corps are members of DCI, so they are eligible to participate in DCI. If a bunch of non-7 corps had formed their own group and excluded the seven, that would have been fine. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I like this solution. But if George Hopkins is secretary will he expect to be taken to lunch on Administrative Professionals Day or will a Denny's gift certificate be ok? This is George you are talking about.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesman Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 (edited) This is George you are talking about.... Oh yeah..... Belgian waffle taste on a pancake budget. LOL Edited January 28, 2013 by bluesman 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soccerguy315 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 They aren't the same. At all. It does no one any good to try and hold up the fiction that all drum corps are equals when it comes to financial capacity or audience appeal. They're not. It's not to say that the smaller, local corps are failing because they're not Phantom Regiment or BD - it's to say that's not what they're there to accomplish. They're about the experience of learning drum corps, not trying to win Finals. Baseball has a farm system. The major teams support those farm leagues, but they don't promote their games as being 'the same' as major league games, or the players at the AAA level as being the equals of major league all stars. It doesn't mean that the majors are dissing the farm teams, it means that they're simply recognizing that most competitive endeavors that require specific training and skills have pecking orders, and that those who are just learning shouldn't be competing with those who are already veterans at the game. Run drum corps like a business, rather than a pee wee soccer league, and perhaps they can find a way to grow the overall pool of dollars available, at every level of the activity. do you consider DCI the business or the individual corps? It it's individual corps, they should be trying to force the other corps out of their market in order to gain greater market share... right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobrien Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 (edited) do you consider DCI the business or the individual corps? It it's individual corps, they should be trying to force the other corps out of their market in order to gain greater market share... right? Each NFL team is separately owned, but NFL itself is a joint business created to set the rules, manage and market their games and squeeze every dollar it can out of their media coverage. They weren't always the juggernaut they are now; at one point, college football was considered the real draw for fans, and the NFL was a poor stepchild of a pro sports league. What changed is that they brought in Pete Rozelle, who convinced the team owners that they needed to modernize their presentation if they hoped to grow their market. Changing the messaging about their game created a new audience for the game, and in the process, saved minor market teams like Green Bay. So in answer to your question, DCI is the business, and the corps directors are the "owners." But the business of creating audiences by superior messaging is DCI's, since selling tickets is what they were set up to do. Edited January 28, 2013 by mobrien 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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