Guard Diva Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 I will add this..... A band director I used to work for talked about back when he marched in junior corps...he said whenever he and his corps mates came across a a Cavi or a Scout, they would whistle 3 little notes....an F, an A, and a G. And he is about to retire this year or next, so that will give you an idea of the era he marched in.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Line I have an issue with is: "Just because you're a dude and there's a gay dude in the locker room with you doesn't mean that person wants to jump your bones!" which I do not believe. But that doesn't rule out getting looked over while in the shower. Or at least the fear of getting checked out. C'mon (hetro) guys.. we check out the women when we get the chance. And if we were all in a co-ed shower do you think some of the guys wouldn't have problems keeping their eyes off a nice looking female. So what would be the difference between hetro in the co-ed shower and gay in the same sex shower? And how much more alike can ya get? Well still waiting for someone to say exactly what is so (-6) offensive about this... I'm guessing "But that doesn't rule out getting looked over while in the shower" which is NOT saying all gay guys check out all straight guys. If that's the heartburn how about an answer on the last line..... what would be the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 (edited) For everyone bursting in and saying things to the sentiment of "gays in drum corps. Of course. There's no reason to even have the discussion" please READ the thread. It's not even truly about there being gay people in drum corps. But more, how it's handled in drum corps, how it got to this terrific level and how it appears the activity is ahead of sports and maybe even society. Think part of the answer to "how it's handled" is the discussion that is going on. How many other activities would be able to talk about it without much more anger and insults? But agree would like to hear more ideas how it got this far over the lsat few decades. Is it all changes in society or something more within the activity itself. Edited April 19, 2013 by JimF-LowBari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Diva Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 My guess, Jim, is that todays youth are being raised with homos and are more accepting of it in general....and things like music, theater, and the arts in general I think have a higher concentration of gays, or at least OUT gays than other activities. DCI, also being a youth activity, is populated with people who are being raised with a more accepting mind, as to pro athletics, which is dominated by an older, less open/accepting demographic. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearwy Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 What's the big deal? Us queers are everywhere. And I do mean everywhere... Church, the gym, at work, at school, etc. One of the reasons I joined Madison in the 80's was to come out of the closet. Come to think of it. We had quite a few horn players in Troopers who were nancy too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 No offense, Stu, but maybe you're not as informed as you think you are. Being aroused by nudity is as much a reaction to social taboos as it is a biological thing that is hardwired into every human being... If you see enough nude bodies, without it being in a sexual context ( as in drum corps), then it's not an issue ( you don't get aroused). Humans are aroused by many things.... ....and we have brains that we can choose to use when deciding on how to behave. Also, women react differently to nudity than men. ( http://www.apa.org/monitor/apr03/arousal.aspx) I'll look for the study that I read on this topic in Grad School that specifically supports my assertion ( I may still have access to the Scholarly Library) We differ in opinions, but rest assured, my claims aren't just idle babble and they've been substantiated at least a bit by research. My opinion is based on years of observing human nature, and realizing that there is a multi-billion dollar industry selling videos and magazines showing humans (gay, straight, male, female) in showers. Your opinion is based on an Academic Study from an Ivory Tower. I think that I will stick with my observational opinion that what is good for the goose is good for the gander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Diva Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 well, my opinion is base don personal experience as well, I can tell you that while I DO look at the guys in the locker room, not a single one of them (and there have been a LOT of hot ones) has made me srout wood just from looking. I've also watched gay porn that didn't arouse me just from looking. Arousal is caused by ones head space (not THAT head, you pervs!)not jsut simple geographic location. So i guess my personal gay experience counteracts your theories about gays. next! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 well, my opinion is base don personal experience as well, I can tell you that while I DO look at the guys in the locker room, not a single one of them (and there have been a LOT of hot ones) has made me srout wood just from looking. I've also watched gay porn that didn't arouse me just from looking. Arousal is caused by ones head space (not THAT head, you pervs!)not jsut simple geographic location. So i guess my personal gay experience counteracts your theories about gays. next! All I am seeking is merely what gays are seeking: 'equality'. Currently we have separate male/female showers for heterosexuals. We should either make it 'equal' by having have co-ed showers for heterosexuals, or make it 'equal' by having separate gay/straight showers just like separate male/female. Equality folks, equality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 My guess, Jim, is that todays youth are being raised with homos and are more accepting of it in general....and things like music, theater, and the arts in general I think have a higher concentration of gays, or at least OUT gays than other activities. DCI, also being a youth activity, is populated with people who are being raised with a more accepting mind, as to pro athletics, which is dominated by an older, less open/accepting demographic. Can't argue that thinking about what went on in my youth (and I'm 55 now)..... Earliest I remember hearing about someone who was "that way" (way it was said then) was late 1960s. Only heard bits 'n pieces but he must have had a party and the neighbors went to complain about the noise. Not sure exactly what was seen as my butt got tossed outta the house when it would be talked about. Then we have the 70s TV shows that were "progressive" because they had actors playing gays... excuse me actors playing stereotyped gays. College (late 70s) homosexuality was talked about but there weren't "that many" (yeah right) and never could put a face to it. Appears my corps had openly gay members after I left. At my gov't job being gay was reason not to have a security clearance in the 80s because you could be blackmailed. Or course the idea of being openly gay so you can't be blackmailed never occurred to anyone in charge. (The question was raised about openly gay at a security training session, should have seen the WTF look from the instructor.) No idea of the present staus of being openly gay and having a clearance. For anyone reading just a historical perspective of the last couple of decades to see how far society has come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickhaltsforlife Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 My opinion is based on years of observing human nature, and realizing that there is a multi-billion dollar industry selling videos and magazines showing humans (gay, straight, male, female) in showers. Your opinion is based on an Academic Study from an Ivory Tower. I think that I will stick with my observational opinion that what is good for the goose is good for the gander. Well your observational opinion has lead you to the wrong conclusions. It's all in the head my friend. I can watch all the pornography I want... if I don't want to be aroused it is quite easy not to get aroused. You don't have to think up a sexual fantasy every time you look at a nude picture of someone. They are just that... nude. And I'll go with the academic study with people who actually have somewhat sound logic over some random drum corps fan's opinion. Butt.... you are entitled to it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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