mingusmonk Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Isn't our own Michael Boo an expert on the figure skating scene as well as drum corps.(Not to mention cheeses and bricks.) Anxiously awaiting his input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfirwin3 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Ok, after seeing the live shows I have to ask an honest question, "Is the DCI activity falling into figure skating scoring mindset?" I swear we need some originality and (I am only using this as an example) if every corps is going to do "bug stomp swivel hips" what does that bring for the activity? Adding instrumentation isn't original. Stages aren't even original this stuff has all been done. Not that it is not being done well but seeing the sames moves from every corps has me questioning is this become figure skating or am I missing something here?Originality is in the program design within the confines of the idiom.All of the things you have mentioned have been done... but the 2016 Crown, Cadets, Bluecoats, etc. programs are each unique within the drumcorps idiom. They have never been done before and will not be done again. I can say all kinds of new things and project new thoughts with a language that is thousands of years old. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornTeacher Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 ...and in a strange way, you tied figure skating and current drum corps design methodologies together rather tidily... Not me...(clearing throat and nervously pawing at the floor with my toes).... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.E. Brigand Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 I wasn't even going there with this. But how about YOU name an era where one move was executed by every competing corps in the last 20 years? What I am trying to say is that is the activity going backwards with requirements? Er, name pretty much any year and I can guarantee that every corps at some point in their show did the same move: They marched. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.E. Brigand Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fmmf7nfaOwc [video of Koriyama Honor Green Band in 2015 Tournament of Roses Parade] Some of that is pretty cool. If they could only keep their sound up while making those moves, I'd be all for its use in drum corps (as appropriate to the music / theme). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
war eagle Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 No. The analogy with the sport of Figure Skating in scoring does not work. The sport of Figure Skating, has as a major component of their scoring, a compulsory component where each skater ( utilizing the same instrument of the competition, ie... a skate) is required to do a series of identical sets of visual moves, so that judges can intelligently compare, contrast, and rank which was perfomed " better ". DCI has no such compulsories in any of its judging scoring. Couple this with the disparate instruments of the competition, and the DCI judges do their scoring wholly and completely based upon which they personally LIKE better, not which is performed better, as in the Figure Skating Compulsory portion of the this sports judges scoring. Wouldn't it be interesting if all corps had to perform a compulsory 5 minute show to get into finals. Same music, same drill, with only variation being guard, orchestration Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornTeacher Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Wouldn't it be interesting if all corps had to perform a compulsory 5 minute show to get into finals. Same music, same drill, with only variation being guard, orchestration Only as long as they can forego the skirts, sparkles, glitter, and dreaded "kiss-and-cry" area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Dixon Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Wouldn't it be interesting if all corps had to perform a compulsory 5 minute show to get into finals. Same music, same drill, with only variation being guard, orchestration not really 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornTeacher Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) I fear that all of this discussion is leading up to one inescapable conclusion: that being, the formation of what shall forever be known as SCI. Skating Corps International, that is. With the list of 13 Founding members to include: Argonne Axels Boston Blue Biellmanns Casper Camels Catawba County Crossovers (the world's first fully transgender Skating Corps) Debuque Death Drops Edmonton Edges (lending true "international" credence to "SCI World Class") Louisiana Laybacks Las Vegas Lutzes (Due to pressure from Mafia owners and executives of city casinos, the corps will fold after the first season, due to a total loss of electrical power throughout the city resulting from the single need for all power being consumed to simply maintain a serviceable ice surface in the Nevada heat.) Santa Clara Salchows Spirit of Spirals Toronto Toe Loops (See "Edmonton Edges" above) Twin City Twizzles Walla-Walla Walleys Brian Boitano will be the first Executive Director of the SCI. Championships will be held each year in Nome, Alaska (which also serves as SCI headquarters...their motto being "Out of sight...out of mind. And only Sarah Palin can see us from her porch.") -- to huge outcry from ALL fans, both of the East AND West coasts of the continental United States -- not to mention those in Hawaii -- who scream "You can't expect us to go THAT far for championships, for cripes sakes!!!", and will hire Scott Hamilton as its championships stadium announcer. Hamilton will be fired after the first year, due to his propensity to yell "OHHHHH MYYYYYYY GOD!!! WILL YOU LOOK AT THAT!!! FAAAAAAAABULOUS!!!" throughout the entire evening -- including in the middle of corps performances. To replace Hamilton, SCI will hire former skating announcer Dick Button. Unfortunately, Button will have to be removed due to his constant, simple assessments of "Well...THAT sucked." for all corps performances (always said through judgementally-pursed lips). If nothing else, Button's inclusion will be of a positive nature for the activity, giving rise to a tradition of "Dick Button died." rumor mongering amongst all of its corps. For Button's replacement, SCI will hire Oksana Baiul. Her thick Ukrainian accent will render her announcing almost unintelligible -- but SCI will justify her hiring with the rationale "Oh, well...at least she'll be cute to look at." (totally forgetting, despite its infinite wisdom, that nobody will actually SEE her in the announcing booth). SCI will employ Tanya Harding as its "Kiss-And-Cry" area reporter. Harding, too, will be fired after her first year, due to her beating the living crap out of George Hopkins after his smug reply of "We'll let you know soon enough." in response to her question of "Do you foresee any changes to your program?" after one of its shows. Though SCI will actively seek out Nancy Kerrigan as Harding's replacement, Kerrigan will only be able to wail "WHYYYY MEEEEEEE???," and will be dropped from consideration. Finally, Michael Boo will be hired as the official score tabulator. He, unfortunately, will ALSO be released due to constant squabbles and disagreements with the Russian Judge, who will insist upon submitting all scores not only in word form, but in Cyrillic script as well. His replacement will be someone who goes by the secretive name "Garfield," and who, on another site, often exhibited an expertise in making sense out of numbers (well...sort of, anyway.). Boo will be reinstated to the post 20 years later (replacing "Garfield," who resigned from the position and, along with "the kid," accepted the position of DrumHead with his much-loved Toe Loops), but will again be canned due to physically abusing the same dino...errrr...Russian Judge after the judge's "SPASM" (Simultaneous Playing And Selective Movement) caption score of 2.712361597 -- with the combined Corps IQ being tripled, then divided by a combined total of a certain bodily measurement found within the Guard (depending upon the exact makeup of the Guard, of course), then multiplied by the negative square root of the GNP of Ghana, and finally divided by Pi) for the eventual 16-time World Champion Blue Biellmanns. This second firing will lead to the longest thread (11,647 pages, and named "What is the Worst Case of Blue Biellmanns You've Ever Experienced?" ) of controversy on the SCP (Skating Corps Planet) website. In conclusion, all judging will be conducted according to a variation of the old "tick" system, but now called the "Slick System," whereby a judge can make allowances such as "I THINK that was an error...but I'll let it slide for now." (In the words of teachers everywhere -- "Isn't summer wonderful????") Edited June 25, 2016 by HornTeacher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornTeacher Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 I always called it spider legs choreo. I prefer the "poopy-drawers squat" move, myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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