Bluecoats, BD, and SA (TW: Sexual Assault)

[scheherazadesghost]

22 minutes ago, Cappybara said:

Seems like a lot of wordsmithing to say the same thing I am saying. Regardless, I’ll leave it alone, thanks for the discussion

Just ask a lawyer or anyone writing the policies and procedures. Words matter, and that's already been said in this thread.

Also, yes, I'm a wordsmith. It's part of my training and professional development. The way I organize my words also doesn't fault me in the way you and others are. That also matters when I'm the one here day in day out actually trying to make things better.

[resipsaloquitur]

31 minutes ago, IllianaLancerContra said:

One thing I am not clear on is whether victim told Bluecoats staff about the alleged assault?  They say medical staff got involved with them crying, but whether they were told of the alleged assault at the time is very important w/r/t how Bluecoats acted at the time. 

Agree that is relevant fact to know. As I said and many others have repeated, because the facts are unsettled, we shouldn't be quick to label "victim" or "offender" as if the court of public opinion has already spoken. One thing I know about the current process at all corps (and companies, churches, schools) including the Coats and BD is that if such serious allegations had surfaced there is no way BD would have even allowed someone to audition without an investigation. That is what needed to happen in order to protect both the accuser and the accused and prevent future occurrences, as the accuser made a point of in the online post.

[Cainan]

26 minutes ago, DAYGO said:

If that's true, that is terrible.  

Devs are in a no win situation here... If they take what he says at face value and don't boot him, they are viewed as being somehow complicit or even worse, they are viewed as prioritising competition over an alleged victim (and I am purposefully using the word alleged here as that is what she is... nothing at all has been proven either way).

On the other hand, if they boot him he's seen as having "done it" until proven otherwise. 

This was probably the only kinda ok outcome 

[Big Bird]

Victim posted an update stating that The Bluecoats were informed in April and BD in May https://twitter.com/candice_korrine/status/1681339953639305216?s=46&t=UWOMOmblyfGicMZyYC_J-Q

[resipsaloquitur]

Just now, Cainan said:

Devs are in a no win situation here... If they take what he says at face value and don't boot him, they are viewed as being somehow complicit or even worse, they are viewed as prioritising competition over an alleged victim (and I am purposefully using the word alleged here as that is what she is... nothing at all has been proven either way).

On the other hand, if they boot him he's seen as having "done it" until proven otherwise. 

This was probably the only kinda ok outcome 

With all due respect to the accuser and allegations in the online post, and not to minimize the seriousness of such allegations, as far as I see it, the Coats has a potential legal liability issue. BD has a PR issue. The accused MM has a contractual issue. 

[Keith Hall]

Read it yesterday. Not cool of Bluecoats to allow it no matter what the age. A speech should have been made that that Males stay in their room and females in their rooms. No mixing otherwise you get sent home on the next Greyhound. In the 1970's that was the rule. What you do outside of the corps is your business but when you are with the corps, you follow OUR rules!!!

[Big Bird]

Just now, Keith Hall said:

Read it yesterday. Not cool of Bluecoats to allow it no matter what the age. A speech should have been made that that Males stay in their room and females in their rooms. No mixing otherwise you get sent home on the next Greyhound. In the 1970's that was the rule. What you do outside of the corps is your business but when you are with the corps, you follow OUR rules!!!

It is never stated that the Bluecoats allowed it. It is just speculation. I highly doubt that the Bluecoats of all corps would have ever allowed that to happen. They cannot constantly be monitoring adults who are expected to behave like adults. 

[Cainan]

1 minute ago, Keith Hall said:

Read it yesterday. Not cool of Bluecoats to allow it no matter what the age. A speech should have been made that that Males stay in their room and females in their rooms. No mixing otherwise you get sent home on the next Greyhound. In the 1970's that was the rule. What you do outside of the corps is your business but when you are with the corps, you follow OUR rules!!!

It's not the 70s anymore

 

[Cappybara]

6 minutes ago, Big Bird said:

Victim posted an update stating that The Bluecoats were informed in April and BD in May https://twitter.com/candice_korrine/status/1681339953639305216?s=46&t=UWOMOmblyfGicMZyYC_J-Q

Interesting. So now it comes across as the alleged victim being unhappy with the way BD has responded to the situation and decided to take things into her own hands via a social media trial. 

This in combination with the fact that the male is being accused of cheating on her… messy. 

[HockeyDad]

1 hour ago, scheherazadesghost said:

The adverse effects of abuse that have been disclosed to me have ended human life in two cases. That is worst case scenario and most other adverse effects don't match up to that.

I'm not saying that's not possible in the case of the falsely accused, merely sharing as much as I safely can to help others understand my stance.

Y'all are approaching my stance like I should have the perfect answers that will make everyone happy. That's not my job and I never claimed it was. It's also putting an awful lot of responsibility on a survivor.

Well, to be fair here, I never asked you to provide answers to anything. I’ve just been enjoying your perspectives.  And sharing one or two of my own. No animus.