Jeff Ream Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 8 hours ago, Boss Anova said: ..... and before lawyers found ways to successfully and profitably sue harassers that stalked employees at their place of employment. We can always find outlier examples on why something can't be done. Many of the DCI judges judge in WGI, DCI, ...and a few even do WGI, DCI, BOA. As far as I know, nobody has stalked judges at their place of employment in DCI Drum Corps. As a matter of fact, I read little to no vitriol on any judge who judged Championships this season here on DCP. if a question is asked about a judge a fan or fans have never heard of before, its a legitimate inquiry borne of innocuous curiosity, imo.... especially when, unlike WGI ( for example ), the Bios of judges are readily made public. Long before DCI, there has been criticisms on occasion of judges. It goes with the job of judging and scoring something so subjective as Drum Corps in competition. That won't change, whether the bios are made public or not. Transparancy is a good thing, not a bad thing. Knowledge is a good thing, not a bad thing. Stifling legitimate inquiry and knowlege seeking on how competitions are judged, and a little bio on the professional experience in the Marching Arts of the judges can go a long way in helping the public and new fans/ marchers to the activity become better informed and likely far more trusting of the endeavor, a few cranks notwithstanding. Finally, looking over social media both on here and elsewhere, as near as I can tell most fans are accepting of the results, and any fear that by posting the bios of DCI Judges that a DCI Judge might be stalked at their place of employment because a couple of local unruly band parents harrassed the judge at his place of employment years ago in a local marching band circuit, is no justification for limiting the education of the vast amount of fans simply wanting to learn more, and with no intentions of harrassing anyone either on social media, nor at their place of business. DCI has periodic reviews of its judges, and historically has been able to withstand fan criticisms and either remove or retain judges without fan interference. That would likely continue with or without the fans learning more about how competitions are judged and scored, and the citing of professional backgrounds and experiences of the judges in the Marching Arts.. I’m not pro or con. As I said before a bio is meaningless. I’ve been judged by folks with bios that were very impressive with credentials and HOF’s etc……and their recording sucked. Not just locally but nationally. fans have complained about certain judges since drum corps news or even before. It’d be far better if more of the process and mindset were made public. But this is dci who took recaps down for an entire season saying it was because they felt judges were using them as a crutch. And it was really because other websites put them up in more user friendly ways than dci did on their site. The lost foot traffic meant less clicks and views and ad revenue 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabMaster Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 2 hours ago, TexasPRfan said: It sure would make far more sense too have a separate thread for all this judges crap and let this thread actually be for what the title implies... It will get there soon enough. This is just simple chatter to fill time until announcements are able to be made. Which I believe is still after 9/1. As soon as announcements are made, talk will turn to what good or bad decisions are being made and who will win it all because they made bold changes. I’m surprised nothing has leaked yet. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOC Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 37 minutes ago, LabMaster said: I’m surprised nothing has leaked yet. Give it time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 2 hours ago, TOC said: Give it time. yup. the longest week of the summer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Anova Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 (edited) On 8/13/2023 at 10:04 AM, corps8294 said: the movements, shake-ups, resignations, and firings usually start the Monday after finals. Sometimes the tremors of change begin during or a little before finals week. Yes... they do. DCI has Corps hold off until Labor Day or just after, to announce staff changes/ additions. But just like shows/ music, its not unusual for some alums/ fans to know of shake ups/ changes/ additions, but out of respect to that Corps or that source, they wait until the Corps itself releases that info to the public. Secrecy ( not transparency ), and across a wide spectrum of things is very much valued these days by DCI and the Corps, and so it is what it is. Edited August 28, 2023 by Boss Anova 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Anova Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 (edited) On 8/13/2023 at 8:50 AM, DCI-86 said: I know we won’t know any changes until September but what would you like to see happen? More transparancy in DCI, but understand its a wish list mostly. We all likely recall here how SCV likely knew how impossibly dire their financial condition was and the chances of their returning to the field this past season was virtually zero. They knew this all through 2022 likely too. But they irresponsibly withheld that info to the public. With that secrecy and withhold, parents and staff marchers, and auditioneers at SCV were regrettably put in positions for hope for marching in a Corps for 2023 that SCV mgt knew at this time last year ( and earlier ) was absolutely not going to happen. DCI itself was silent on this, so as far as we know they took no punitive actions on SCV with this wholly irresponsible lack of transparancy.... and as a result, man what a mess it created to hundreds of people once auditions rolled around and SCV still kept auditions going and silent on what they surely knew for a long long time in 2022. But, it is what it is, so we learn to be patient and cautious as fans. Edited August 28, 2023 by Boss Anova 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicManNJ Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 36 minutes ago, Boss Anova said: More transparancy in DCI, but understand its a wish list mostly. We all likely recall here how SCV likely knew how impossibly dire their financial condition was and the chances of their returning to the field this past season was virtually zero. They knew this all through 2022 likely too. But they irresponsibly withheld that info to the public. With that secrecy and withhold, parents and staff marchers, and auditioneers at SCV were regrettably put in positions for hope for marching in a Corps for 2023 that SCV mgt knew at this time last year ( and earlier ) was absolutely not going to happen. DCI itself was silent on this, so as far as we know they took no punitive actions on SCV with this wholly irresponsible lack of transparancy.... and as a result, man what a mess it created to hundreds of people once auditions rolled around and SCV still kept auditions going and silent on what they surely knew for a long long time in 2022. But it is what it is, so we learn to be patient and cautious as fans. DCI was silent because DCI did not know that SCV management had planned on pulling the plug. They were in the dark like everyone else except the SCV leadership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Hall Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 Has judging ever been fair? Consistent? Well maybe from a number standpoint. As long as scores go up X amount from week to week and certain corps get placed where they are meant to be placed.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSpruce Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 Just found out about this (page 9), no staff change announcements before Labor Day. It’s a new thing. May explain why staff changes news has been slow. https://online.pubhtml5.com/xada/mkpd/?fbclid=IwAR1vkuPuoqLHhDH8oyyy0fuLfr_hp0duwBRQaUp4yR3FcC6ZAP1liy97TXc#p=9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fighterkit Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 22 minutes ago, DSpruce said: Just found out about this (page 9), no staff change announcements before Labor Day. It’s a new thing. May explain why staff changes news has been slow. https://online.pubhtml5.com/xada/mkpd/?fbclid=IwAR1vkuPuoqLHhDH8oyyy0fuLfr_hp0duwBRQaUp4yR3FcC6ZAP1liy97TXc#p=9 Yea this rule change started after 2016 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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