Terri Schehr Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/27/2024 at 10:20 AM, Onionhead2 said: The changes made 2014, could they be accredited with the Blue Coats overtaking the Cadets at finals ? The Oprah tarp and saggy Capitol building? Lol the show was about Presidents. The President only goes to the Capitol building once a year. Maybe they were out of saggy White House tarps. Oh and the stage where section 140 could see nothing but the pit. Fun stuff. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gak27 Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 40 minutes ago, Terri Schehr said: The Oprah tarp and saggy Capitol building? Lol the show was about Presidents. The President only goes to the Capitol building once a year. Maybe they were out of saggy White House tarps. Oh and the stage where section 140 could see nothing but the pit. Fun stuff. This is what (s)he said... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onionhead2 Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 43 minutes ago, Terri Schehr said: The Oprah tarp and saggy Capitol building? Lol the show was about Presidents. The President only goes to the Capitol building once a year. Maybe they were out of saggy White House tarps. Oh and the stage where section 140 could see nothing but the pit. Fun stuff. I've seen section 140 thru my binoculars,if you want to know whats going on behind the pit, come on up to where the air is nice and thin. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 (edited) 16 hours ago, BG984 said: Man, I never compared things to color pre days.........the post that I did was actually a response to someone talking about the old days and results controversies.....and I posted one that showed the front page of a drum corps paper where two major championships (junior/senior) were protested on the same weekend.......I wasn't there, I was 9 years old............I was on a staff that revolutionized visual and won DCI......but we still played our tails off, with great music written by one of the best hall of famers of all time. So, you are trying to paint me into a very old dyno with absolutely no info...not good. I judged last year. I know corps are different. All I am saying is that in a 6 year period, 1994-2000, all music emphasis in the scoring was eliminated. Not 50 years ago....24 years ago. I did look at the current GE sheets, and audience engagement is on them (though I honestly believe there are some judging the caption who do not consider that at all, and I also find the term "engagement" vague and open to whatever interpretation they want). By the way, that show that we did 41 years ago was pretty good...........I think..............ironically 41 wins and one loss that season.....My initial post was simply 100% factual, showing how music scoring emphasis went from a 30% advantage to none in a 6 year time frame..........yes, I have feelings/opinions about that, as do many other people......for those who feel the shift toward visual and away from music is a good one, they are entitled to that opinion. i never once called you old or dino, i compared your views of todays activity of how it was in the past. the game has changed. drum corps judging stayed stagnant for what it looked at for decades, and then boom...everything opened up. and because the rules changed and allowed more, visual had the most room to grow to where it became of equal importance. But even as visual changed, GE has always been about a marriage of visual and music. and it's never been a clap sheet. But the emphasis had to change because visual became more important. IMO visual was not enough of a scoring emphasis for too long, and this is a drummer stating that fact. because if it had the emphasis it deserved, 41 years ago you would have destroyed everyone. it wouldn't even have been close. Edited March 28 by Jeff Ream Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 5 hours ago, greg_orangecounty said: And you can tell. It's as if the judging panel on Dancing with the Stars has taken over. no because the Carolton would be being performed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigW Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/27/2024 at 4:58 PM, Jeff Ream said: it can be good or bad effect. theres a ton of factors that goes into it, so i can't just throw an opinion here based on that. True. Bad playing didn't help. Nope, nope nope. In one area near us, folks think that they need to play like their state's university with 350 members droning away when they have 25-60 kids... You know the rubrics. Droning Loud and Constant ain't gonna generate effect on any sheet I know of. Might get a 90k home football crowd jacked up... but a different situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG984 Posted March 28 Author Share Posted March 28 8 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said: i never once clled you old or dino, i compared your views of todays activity of how it was in the past. the game has changed. drum corps judging stayed stagnant for what it looked at for decades, and then boom...everything opened up. and because the rules changed and allowed more, visual had the most room to grow to where it became of equal importance. But even as visual changed, GE has always been about a marraige of visual and music. and it's never been a clap sheet. But the emphasis had to change because visual became more important. IMO visual was not enough of a scoring emphasis for too long. and this is a drummer stating that fact. because if it had the emphasis it deserved, 41 years ago you would have destroyed everyone. it wouldn't even have been close. IMO, it has gotten to the point that the needle has shifted too far toward visual, and music is secondary. The day has arrived when a corps that is 4th or even 5th musically can win. I believe 4th has happened....for sure in a prelim round, and perhaps finals............for those in love with the visual products these days, and the secondary emphasis on music (ie visually driven shows....not unlike WGI) these are good times for them...........it really could be called "WGI Outdoor", and there are folks that are fine with that........in that regard, I am a dinosaur...........that show 41 years ago had plenty of visual things happening.......yet the musical product, IMO, was pretty wonderful standing still as well........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 13 minutes ago, BigW said: True. Bad playing didn't help. Nope, nope nope. In one area near us, folks think that they need to play like their state's university with 350 members droning away when they have 25-60 kids... You know the rubrics. Droning Loud and Constant ain't gonna generate effect on any sheet I know of. Might get a 90k home football crowd jacked up... but a different situation. way too many small groups design like they're huge. that issue is not just a regional thing 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 Just now, BG984 said: IMO, it has gotten to the point that the needle has shifted too far toward visual, and music is secondary. The day has arrived when a corps that is 4th or even 5th musically can win. I believe 4th has happened....for sure in a prelim round, and perhaps finals............for those in love with the visual products these days, and the secondary emphasis on music (ie visually driven shows....not unlike WGI) these are good times for them...........it really could be called "WGI Outdoor", and there are folks that are fine with that........in that regard, I am a dinosaur...........that show 41 years ago had plenty of visual things happening.......yet the musical product, IMO, was pretty wonderful standing still as well........ i don't disagree visual sometimes gets too much emphasis, but it's not a universal thing. and winners have always had some captions lower than the top, and some caption winners have not been at the top. look at Cavies percussion. the issue is more a product of how the current system is set up for the numbers. the 3 performance captions for music and visual averaged together now, and GE still at 40% where it's been for a while. but without todays system, guard would still be an afterthought. but GE has been calling the show for a long time...in fact if not for music and music effect, BD wins in 2008. Bloo probably loses in 16. but performance pcations, not effect is what kept Crown in 15 and Bloo in 19 from winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terri Schehr Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 4 hours ago, Onionhead2 said: I've seen section 140 thru my binoculars,if you want to know whats going on behind the pit, come on up to where the air is nice and thin. I’m almost at the top of 139 now. A couple of rows behind @Jurassic Lancer last year. I can’t sit down there anymore. I’d like to keep what hearing I still have left. 😂 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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