JimF-LowBari Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 I've never heard of stopping your car for the NA off of a military base. Never heard of stopping the car outside either. Also never heard of getting out of the car on or off base which is why I responded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCImonkey Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 This topic! WOW I'll take "Who gives a ####" for $2000 Alex! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moz Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 (edited) As one of the token foreigners here I'd say from experience that the American attitude towards national flags and certainly your own flag is a pretty unique thing worldwide. I'm not saying that is a bad thing of course and certainly not that other countries don't respect and honour their own flags but I do find the US seem to take it to a new level not seen elsewhere. As I mentioned previously half the people here in the UK can't even get the name of our flag right! And I certainly don't think it would be an issue if a marching band or drum corps (from wherever) was using it in a show to any respectable extent (I might get a bit miffed if someone ripped it up or set it on fire for instance but if it was in context I would understand)- Pretty sure you'd find that for a lot of other European countries as well and probably further afield Edited August 7, 2013 by Moz 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrlandoContraAlum Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Moz, you hit on a pretty important point. Some folks here LOVE to "rally 'round the flag". It's a pretty big deal. It's ALSO just another in a long list of things that some people like to use as (honestly, meaningless) wedge issues. Without venturing too far into areas that could get the thread closed down... The US Flag is a symbol. It means a ton to a great portion of our population. But, at the end of the day, it is just that, a symbol. Any sort of desecration or disrespect does nothing to undermine the principles of our great nation. I, personally, would never use the flag of the United States as something with which to make a political point or argument, but I 100% stand by those that would, even if I vehemently disagree with them. Those that have sacrificed, those that have served under that flag and fought and died to defend it, have my greatest respect. That said, any member of our society is protected, by those very same rights that others have fought for (including my own family) to do WHATEVER they want with our flag. So, back on topic, while I can appreciate the OP's point regarding basic respect, I can't fathom how this has become such a popular thread on this forum. With that, I will take my leave from this conversation. Good night, all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 I've never heard of stopping your car for the NA off of a military base. You're probably right about exiting a vehicle only on a military facility. I left Ramstein AFB in 70. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacrificialclown Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Back in the olden days of drum corps, penalty judges used to earn their salary and occasionally handed out disqualifiers for such things as having another flag in front of the US or Canadian flags ("trail"), having a flag higher than the national standard flag, letting the national flag hit the ground, etc., etc.; all this followed protocols which were the force of law by the US Congress, the military, and the United Nations who set such protocols in manuals known as Flag Code. Today in a world so wrought with world conflict and political correctness, those policies concerning national flags for the US and Canada have gone to the side for drum corps and are seen as inhibiting show designers' sense of art. However, the question remains concerning Santa Clara's use of the French national tricolors as a flash flag which is tossed and spun during Les Mis. Consider the chagrin of the administration of the only competitive drum corps in France, from Brittany I think, who are here this week to view DCI East and DCI championships with the hope of bringing their young corps one day to Open Class championships or DCA's All-age. Should there be penalties assessed? One veteran T&P judge when queried Saturday retorted that it wasn't a violation against the American flag. Troopers and Bluecoats were using mock flags. But when challenged about the UN flag code which the US official law respects, the judge claimed ignorance and lack of awareness. Now when Cadets did Les Mis, Bobby Hoffmann made sure to add a stripe of orange and then gold fringe so that it was obvious that the flag was not an official French flag. Ought not SCV have the same respect??? What if it were, let's say, the Dutch corps or Twaiwanese spinning an actual American flag? Would not sensitivities demand better T&P judging rather than the judge practicing hand signals to the judging box with his grandchild on the track? Professional standards for an international championship? I think our standards are slipping so to be coy and cute. Respect the standards of every nation, no SCV??? Seriously? It's the French... who are they going to surrender to over this one??? SCV? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Boo Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 And to think I used to ask, "Is it June yet?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 This ones done, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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