cixelsyd Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 10 hours ago, ashyUechi said: It's a balance of achievement weighted against the content. You all are counting ticks thinking that the content for all the groups is the same and it isn't. The bloo members were marching up walls while doing body and keeping formations. That's a whole energy and technique that no one has explored, ever. Is it, really? I have lost count of how many other corps and bands have marched up/down ramps. Their movement vocab was much denser than other groups. It isn't a bunch of keep the right hand on the horns and use the other three limbs. They actually put their instruments down and dance. They started their show with the drum line dancing with no drums on. No one else took their drums off and asked their drummers to dance. They are not the first to put their drums down and dance, and just one of many to ground the horns for a dance feature. Meanwhile, while the Bluecoats put their instruments down, some other corps asked their musicians to play more instead. Which is better? Exposure, look at the uniform. The opening dance block? No one was as exposed as that. Not disputing that. But if the exposure of uniform color is worth points, every top corps will soon be wearing the same colors. They actually had to be performers who used their faces. Every other drum corps hid their faces under a big hat. That's a whole responsibility that no one else had. Hats do not hide faces. They only hide hair. Bloo was hauling around the field. They jazz ran a lot. Yes, they did. Extended lateral jazz running that taxed the shorter marchers visibly more than the taller ones. Uncomfortable to watch. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobias Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 2 hours ago, cixelsyd said: Is it, really? I have lost count of how many other corps and bands have marched up/down ramps. They are not the first to put their drums down and dance, and just one of many to ground the horns for a dance feature. Meanwhile, while the Bluecoats put their instruments down, some other corps asked their musicians to play more instead. Which is better? Not disputing that. But if the exposure of uniform color is worth points, every top corps will soon be wearing the same colors. Hats do not hide faces. They only hide hair. Yes, they did. Extended lateral jazz running that taxed the shorter marchers visibly more than the taller ones. Uncomfortable to watch. I thought they were a bit overrated. I would have ad them battling SCV for silver. Thought Crown got robbed. Cleanest, top brass, top guard... seriously. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoaDci Posted January 10, 2017 Author Share Posted January 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, Tobias said: I thought they were a bit overrated. I would have ad them battling SCV for silver. Thought Crown got robbed. Cleanest, top brass, top guard... seriously. Percussion....seriously Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mingusmonk Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, cixelsyd said: Hats do not hide faces. They only hide hair. The visceral effect of no headgear was a large distinction. Maybe that was not necessarily the intent, but seeing the fun on their faces was just another way that the Bluecoats stood out. It was one of the reasons that watching them and watching "normal" corps going on after them was a jarring effect. Speaking on live viewing. Edited January 10, 2017 by mingusmonk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corpsband Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, mingusmonk said: The visceral effect of no headgear was a large distinction. Maybe that was not necessarily the intent, but seeing the fun on their faces was just another way that the Bluecoats stood out. It was one of the reasons that watching them and watching "normal" corps going on after then was a jarring effect. Speaking on live viewing. Agree 100%. Watching performers so clearly having fun was infectious. It will be interesting to see how they move forward; is that a choice that plays well season after season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruckner8 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 3 hours ago, cixelsyd said: POINTS NUMBERED FOR CLARITY: 1) I have lost count of how many other corps and bands have marched up/down ramps. 2) They are not the first to put their drums down and dance, and just one of many to ground the horns for a dance feature. 3) Meanwhile, while the Bluecoats put their instruments down, some other corps asked their musicians to play more instead. Which is better? 4) Not disputing that. But if the exposure of uniform color is worth points, every top corps will soon be wearing the same colors. 5) Hats do not hide faces. They only hide hair. 6) Extended lateral jazz running that taxed the shorter marchers visibly more than the taller ones. Uncomfortable to watch. 1. ...and zero did it the way Bloo did. 2. True. And again, zero did like Bloo did (or any of the other corps who grounded their instruments). Dude, it's not that anyone's doing anything new...it's HOW and WHAt they are doing with it! Bloo's "game changer" was the over-all encompassing production (GE) AND musical performance (Which they also won!) 3. "better" is in the eye of the beholder on this, and not mentioned on the sheet. Granted, if one hornline played for 1 minute, and another played for 10 minutes, points would have to be taken into consideration where exposure is slightly measured (it's not much). On the other hand, if you take this into consideration, then you also have to consider Bloo's hornline exposure with 15 BRASS SOLOISTS. (5 trumpets, 4 bass bones, 6 tenor bones in the octet). That alone would (did?) wipe out any perceived measurement of elapsed time playing (again, as it relates to sheets, which is all that matters...not our personal musical values). 4. Yep. 5. Totally wrong on that one. Aussies are intended (the way they're worn by SCV and Cavies) to hide faces. Shakos do to a certain degree as well, and certainly do from any angle above 10° (that is, anyone sitting above, say row 20). There's no doubt the "no head gear" decision was a design necessity to sell THAT SHOW AT THAT TIME. I'm sure the head gear decision will be just as important this year, and the correct call will be made, head gear or not, and if so, what it will be. 6. For you. All good. There's no measure for that on the sheet. Do you watch shows from the sideline often? Your issues seem to indicate that you do. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrumManTx Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 1 hour ago, BoaDci said: Percussion....seriously You know other years that comment would probably hold some water but they were not a liability in 2016. If you go through the recaps of the whole season they actually held VERY well with their peers including a very solid semifinals finish. Plus if you'd actually listen to them they had a great aggressive book they executed very well relative to their 2012 - 2014 lines. ...seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoaDci Posted January 10, 2017 Author Share Posted January 10, 2017 19 minutes ago, DrumManTx said: You know other years that comment would probably hold some water but they were not a liability in 2016. If you go through the recaps of the whole season they actually held VERY well with their peers including a very solid semifinals finish. Plus if you'd actually listen to them they had a great aggressive book they executed very well relative to their 2012 - 2014 lines. ...seriously. Yes, but a 5th place line doesnt get you the title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrumManTx Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 26 minutes ago, BoaDci said: Yes, but a 5th place line doesnt get you the title. It didn't keep them from it either. Neither has it pretty much any other time people said in was the the reason they lost. 5th against 4 monster lines isn't a bad place to be anyway, percussion is one of the deepest captions and being in the top 5 in the current competitive climate is a great place to be. They were way more competitive with those 4 in 2016 and were great to listen to which is what really matters. Huge improvement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeN Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 On 1/9/2017 at 11:49 AM, wallace said: It will stand the test of time. It was deserving of the championship. Absolutely - one of the best musical programs I've heard in decades, and visually they managed to do things we'd never seen done. Mike 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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