Jim Schehr Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 (edited) I know the corps I drove for did an extensive background check, and did so each season I volunteered. However I don’t know what other corps do. Let me add that the cost for these background checks were paid for by the volunteer applicant. Edited November 12, 2017 by Jim Schehr 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Lancer Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) 15 hours ago, totaleefree said: So lets start a new petition for DCI to legislate that corps hire safe bus drivers and van drivers. I am sure that if we don't do this corps will go out and look for unsafe drivers with DUI and bad driving records. And DCI needs more pages in its rule book, I am sure corps do not have their own policies in place and Dan Acheson needs a petition to bring more restrictions on the corps. Parents who were ready to pay money for their kids to have a good summer learning experience will have second thoughts, they thought DCI was safe, but now after seeing this petition they may feel that their kids are unsafe on Corps busses. This may make it easier for some kids to join corps if those parents have second thoughts. Of course anyone who is opposed to signing this petition obviously doesn't care about safety and we can accuse them of wanting accidents to happen and of being against bus safety. Obviously anyone who would not sign this would be anti- safety and pro drunk driving while transporting kids so everyone should sign this. I am sorry but I’m appalled, saddened, disheartened and dismayed by this snarky response to a real problem. Hate me if you want. MMs deserve more. But hey, you got two likes so far and maybe more after this. Good on you. And if I am wrong and this isn’t snark but a legitimate expansion of the petition to include all volunteers to be subjected to background checks, then I applaud your efforts to insure that our MMs have the most reasonable assurance they will be instructed and supported in a safe environment. Edited November 13, 2017 by Jurassic Lancer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terri Schehr Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Jurassic Lancer said: I am sorry but I’m appalled, sickened, disheartened and disgusted by this snarky response to a real problem. Hate me if you want. MMs deserve more. But hey, you got two likes so far and maybe more after this. Good on you. And if I am wrong and this isn’t snark but a legitimate expansion of the petition to include all volunteers to be subjected to background checks, then I applaud your efforts to insure that our MMs have the most reasonable assurance they will be instructed and supported in a safe environment. I’d sign it. Jim paid for his background checks twice, once each year with the Cadets, so he could drive for them. One world class corps had a driver with multiple drug convictions driving a vehicle for them. Obviously, they weren’t running background checks, Edited November 13, 2017 by Terri Schehr 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyDad Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Even the much maligned Catholic Church now requires background checks as standard operating procedure for all volunteers. At least in the diocese in which I live. So why wouldn't you check out the bus drivers. And cooks. And all other volunteers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) 20 hours ago, Stu said: Jeff, don't get your shorts in a wad; we (I) trust you. But there is no real verification that can be garnered at all by you or by us because you also stated that the supposed policy is "not for public consumption" and even you have not seen the official policy. And when we are talking a 501c3 YOUTH based organization, that secrecy is rather suspicious if not disturbing. We are not seeking names and/or accusations, but merely an 'official' policy statement from a public tax-exempt charitable non-profit. You yourself stated that it is not for public consumption, yet you made a public statement that the policy does exist. If it is not for the public to know, then you should have not told the public of its existence. But since you did make the pronouncement, where is the document of verification other than "These guys said so"? ok I'll ask you...why SHOULD DCI have to make every little thing you want public? Many 501c's, and even the government do not make every little thing available. I looked at 4 different government sites this morning, and couldn't find hiring guidelines or policies or procedures, and after scanning several band circuits sites this weekend, the same was there. Not everything needs to be public info. In todays world, better to have a policy in place, and better to enforce, which i think they are trying to do. The legal system doesnt help as we have discussed. Should DCI have had something like this years ago? yes. But as we've seen in the news, many schools quietly fired people to make them go away as well...and they are publicly funded. I'd rather they have the policy in place and do their best to enforce it, than actually see it and parse every participle. Edited November 13, 2017 by Jeff Ream 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 12 hours ago, Terri Schehr said: I’d sign it. Jim paid for his background checks twice, once each year with the Cadets, so he could drive for them. One world class corps had a driver with multiple drug convictions driving a vehicle for them. Obviously, they weren’t running background checks, thats a shame. I know many corps wants background checks on anyone who goes on tour. i believe thats what the policy has in it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terri Schehr Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 12 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said: thats a shame. I know many corps wants background checks on anyone who goes on tour. i believe thats what the policy has in it Heck. It was on Reddit. The official online documentation. All I did was read through a trail. The kids on the bus came on with some harrowing tales. And I believe this was very recently. I was pretty horrified seeing how I was in a bus accident with Guardsmen BITD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) 18 hours ago, totaleefree said: So lets start a new petition for DCI to legislate that corps hire safe bus drivers and van drivers. I am sure that if we don't do this corps will go out and look for unsafe drivers with DUI and bad driving records. Its unlikely Corps " look for them ", but they definately " show up " to these Corps on occasion, ..we do know that anyway. From reading this, it appears that you believe that DCI Corps do not hire high risk, unsafe drivers with bad driving records, DUI, etc and additionally does not hire high risk sex offenders who have had records of previous crimes of a sexual nature against children. if that is your mistaken belief, then it probably explains why you apparently believe that DCI/ Corps don't need to do much of anything else at the moment... and probably explains also why you have a visceral , negative reaction to this petition and with the thousands of people( including it should be pointed out more than a few current 2017-2018 marchers in DCI) that have signed this petition in their belief that DCI/ Corps needs to do more. Are you implying that you know more about this important issue than some of the marchers that are day to day surrounded by this issue ? Well, reading your comments here, one would assume you believe so anyway. I think marchers who are surrounded all off season and all summer long with this, would tend to know more about this issue than some of us adults on here. But, thats just my outside the loop DCI/ Corps assessment on this as well. Edited November 13, 2017 by BRASSO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 31 minutes ago, Terri Schehr said: Heck. It was on Reddit. The official online documentation. All I did was read through a trail. The kids on the bus came on with some harrowing tales. And I believe this was very recently. I was pretty horrified seeing how I was in a bus accident with Guardsmen BITD. thats why I said i dont think the policy manual has been around for a long time, or this stuff included in it til recently. if nothing else, better late than never 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) Whats the WORST that could occur with this petition to DCI ? That DCI discards the petition after conferring with their legal counsel.. that informs DCI they have sufficient policies and procedures on this issue already in place ? Well then, so what ?.. no real harm was done with this petition, now was there ? But what if it triggers a belief within DCI/ Corps that they can actually do better ? Is that so BAD ? . So whats the real downside here on this petition ? Compared with the potential upside with it, it seems a worthy effort... unless I'm missing something here. Edited November 13, 2017 by BRASSO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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