burgerbob Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 But it's ok for the west coast corps to do it? To do what? Indianapolis is pretty centrally located. If you're talking about previous championships on the east coast, I don't really have any knowledge of them. In any case, it's still unfair to some corps that way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
84BDsop Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 (edited) To do what? Indianapolis is pretty centrally located. If you're talking about previous championships on the east coast, I don't really have any knowledge of them. In any case, it's still unfair to some corps that way. Oregon Crusaders: Portland to Indy: 2237 miles BD -- Concord to Indy: 2229 miles Pacific Crest -- Chino Hills to Indy: 2042 miles Crossmen -- San Antonio to Indy: 1173 miles Troopers -- Cheyenne to Indy: 1078 miles Cadets -- Allentown to Indy: 622 miles Spirit -- Atlanta to Indy: 534 miles Colts -- Dubuque to Indy: 375 miles Cavaliers -- Chicago to Indy: 187 miles "Centrally located" my ###.... Edited April 9, 2012 by 84BDsop 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burgerbob Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 So something like Denver would be ideal? I still think the west coast is pushing it. I love California, and I loved performing there. That doesn't make it ideal for finals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
actucker Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Oregon Crusaders: Portland to Indy: 2237 miles BD -- Concord to Indy: 2229 miles Pacific Crest -- Chino Hills to Indy: 2042 miles Crossmen -- San Antonio to Indy: 1173 miles Troopers -- Cheyenne to Indy: 1078 miles Cadets -- Allentown to Indy: 622 miles Spirit -- Atlanta to Indy: 534 miles Colts -- Dubuque to Indy: 375 miles Cavaliers -- Chicago to Indy: 187 miles "Centrally located" my ###.... I'm a nerd so I ran some of the numbers. Looking at the top 25 world class corps, its clear that a west coast championships is not practical for the corps we currently have involved in the circuit. The total and average miles driven would be nearly doubled, 2 corps and their fans would be asked to travel over 3,000 miles, and in general, it would require far more travel in contrast to any of the other 3 scenarios. Championships in the DC area (hypothetical east coast location) would also be impractical in comparison, although much more advantageous to more groups than a Santa Clara championships. The lowest total number of miles traveled would be, not surprisingly, where championships currently reside in indianapolis. There is a solid argument, however for a championships somewhere like Kansas City. The average miles traveled would be a little higher, but there is a bit more parity in the numbers traveled by each corps. Bottom line is, Indy is where championships are, and will be for the foreseeable future. It is, in fact, centrally located for the existing corps in the DCI circuit. There are far more corps on the eastern side of the country than on the west. Its is unfortunate for the west coast corps who often have to travel a bit more, but the fact is, that's the problem with a national championship. You can't please everyone. From the corps base of operations, to Indianapolis: Cadets 622 miles Blue Devils 2229 miles Cavaliers 187 miles Crown 595 miles Phantom Regiment 269 miles Santa Clara Vanguard 2282 miles Bluecoats 302 miles Crusaders 975 miles Blue Stars 463 miles Madison Scouts 320 miles Blue Knights 1085 miles Spirit 534 miles Glassmen 222 miles Troopers 1078 miles Academy 1690 miles Colts 375 miles Crossmen 1173 miles Pacific Crest 2042 miles Mandarins 2164 miles Teal Sound 849 miles Blue Devils B 2229 miles Seattle Cascades 2246 miles Vanguard Cadets 2282 miles Jersey Surf 672 miles Spartans 995 miles Total miles = 23,882 Average number of miles driven = 955.28 Lowest number of miles driven = 187 Highest number of miles driven = 2282 Number of corps asked to drive more than 1,000 miles = 11 Number of corps asked to drive more than 2,000 miles = 7 Number of corps asked to drive more than 3,000 miles = 0 Same numbers if championships were in Santa Clara: Cadets 2880 miles Blue Devils 54 miles Cavaliers 2158 miles Crown 2684 miles Phantom Regiment 2116 miles Santa Clara Vanguard 0 miles Bluecoats 2535 miles Crusaders 3128 miles Blue Stars 2104 miles Madison Scouts 2122 miles Blue Knights 1301 miles Spirit 2436 miles Glassmen 2388 miles Troopers 1173 miles Academy 723 miles Colts 2030 miles Crossmen 1696 miles Pacific Crest 372 miles Mandarins 118 miles Teal Sound 2759 miles Blue Devils B 54 miles Seattle Cascades 839 miles Vanguard Cadets 0 miles Jersey Surf 2935 miles Spartans 3146 miles Total miles = 41,751 Average number of miles driven = 1,670 Lowest number of miles driven = 0 Highest number of miles driven = 3,146 Number of corps asked to drive more than 1,000 miles = 17 Number of corps asked to drive more than 2,000 miles = 11 Number of corps asked to drive more than 3,000 miles = 2 Kansas City: Cadets 1103 miles Blue Devils 1785 miles Cavaliers 522 miles Crown 972 miles Phantom Regiment 480 miles Santa Clara Vanguard 1842 miles Bluecoats 783 miles Crusaders 1431 miles Blue Stars 468 miles Madison Scouts 458 miles Blue Knights 599 miles Spirit 802 miles Glassmen 735 miles Troopers 814 miles Academy 1194 miles Colts 393 miles Crossmen 812 miles Pacific Crest 1595 miles Mandarins 1719 miles Teal Sound 1188 miles Blue Devils B 1785 miles Seattle Cascades 1890 miles Vanguard Cadets 1842 miles Jersey Surf 1155 miles Spartans 1449 miles Total miles = 27,786 Average number of miles driven = 1,111 Lowest number of miles driven = 393 Highest number of miles driven = 1890 Number of corps asked to drive more than 1,000 miles = 13 Number of corps asked to drive more than 2,000 miles = 0 Number of corps asked to drive more than 3,000 miles = 0 Baltimore MD (lets pick a spot central to the East Coast just for giggles): Cadets 142 miles Blue Devils 2798 miles Cavaliers 717 miles Crown 479 miles Phantom Regiment 789 miles Santa Clara Vanguard 2885 miles Bluecoats 339 miles Crusaders 410 miles Blue Stars 982 miles Madison Scouts 848 miles Blue Knights 1672 miles Spirit 699 miles Glassmen 472 miles Troopers 1827 miles Academy 878 miles Colts 878 miles Crossmen 1639 miles Pacific Crest 2643 miles Mandarins 2732 miles Teal Sound 749 miles Blue Devils B 2798 miles Seattle Cascades 2765 miles Vanguard Cadets 2885 miles Jersey Surf 119 miles Spartans 428 miles Total miles = 30,775 Average number of miles driven = 1,231 Lowest number of miles driven = 119 Highest number of miles driven = 2885 Number of corps asked to drive more than 1,000 miles = 10 Number of corps asked to drive more than 2,000 miles = 6 Number of corps asked to drive more than 3,000 miles = 0 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rifuarian Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 The driving distances are interesting, but it's not as though corps travel straight to finals from their home towns. The real story is total mileage over the course of the season (average mileage per day would be interesting as well). Do corps keep records of this sort of thing? I've always been curious about what the mileage of a west coast corps would look like compared to a midwestern or eastern one. It seems to me as though mileage for the corps would be fairly even up until finals. Yes, the western corps have to travel across country, but the eastern corps are on the move as well, just within a more limited area. It seems like it's the trip back west after finals that would put the left coast corps over the top in terms of mileage. But I could be way off. Just guessing. And does a western finals really reduce the mileage of the western corps? In 2007 they still had to go as far east as Allentown and then return back west. A western finals would be more for fans who never get a chance to see late season corps, or parents who might not otherwise get to see their kids perform during DCI week. Ideally some sort of rotation would be in place, but that's clearly unpractical. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
84BDsop Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 (edited) I'm a nerd so I ran some of the numbers. Looking at the top 25 world class corps, its clear that a west coast championships is not practical for the corps we currently have involved in the circuit. The total and average miles driven would be nearly doubled, 2 corps and their fans would be asked to travel over 3,000 miles, and in general, it would require far more travel in contrast to any of the other 3 scenarios. C I love your numbers -- that's what I was trying to get at, but didn't have the time. HOWEVER....I will point out -- as others have REPEATEDLY over the last several years (predating 2007) that since 1972, DCI finals have been held west of the Rockies ONE TIME!! Sure, it'd be best to set a western finals ahead a few years to allow for less affluent corps to raise the funds (and frankly, I thought there wasn't enough time for 07)....but is it too much to ask that the coast with the most championships (38 total across all classes -- World Class/Div 1: BD 14, SCV 6, Kingsmen 1. Open class/Class A/Div II/Div III/Class A-60...the only class the west didn't win at least once was all-girl): Mandarins 7, BDB 3, SCVC 2, Impulse 1, Esperanza 1, Oregon Crusaders 1, Black Watch 1, Cascades 1, Academy 1 (not the actual coast, so it's a stretch, but it's the same region)) to have finals more than ONE TIME IN FOURTY YEARS???? Edited April 9, 2012 by JohnZ filter circumvention 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrownBariDad Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 So something like Denver would be ideal? I still think the west coast is pushing it. I love California, and I loved performing there. That doesn't make it ideal for finals. I had thought about that, too. My first live DCI event was Drums Along the Rockies when I lived in CO. Loved it!!!! But, as the sign at the Air Force Academy stadium (at about 1000 ft higher than Mile High) warns visiting teams--"Air is Rare". How much of an impact that would have on Finals I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rd Glasgow BB Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 I think if it made financial sense DCI would have taken finals out west more than once. That's the only reason I can think of why they wouldn't do it esp. with the likes of BD & SCV being based there. A week in Southern California would be lovely but not at the expense of financial stability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rd Glasgow BB Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 From Google maps...I chose the departure point as Santa Clara since that is what the OP was mentioning. Driving time to Indy is 36 hours (not including stops for fuel, etc.) I guess the days are getting longer. You're correct it's not a days drive from both coasts it's a days drive for half the population, my mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozarkbugler Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 (edited) I had thought about that, too. My first live DCI event was Drums Along the Rockies when I lived in CO. Loved it!!!! But, as the sign at the Air Force Academy stadium (at about 1000 ft higher than Mile High) warns visiting teams--"Air is Rare". How much of an impact that would have on Finals I don't know. Probably about as much effect as it had in 77, 78 and 04 as well as every year at DATR. Unless of course the Rockies are still pushing upward at a noticeable rate. Edited April 9, 2012 by ozarkbugler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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