BRASSO Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 (edited) , I would say that it is more a matter of the "human condition" in that it is not applicable only to drum corps fans. , it is common to everything from "the Dodgers haven't been the same since they left Brooklyn" The Dodgers are " not the same since they left Brooklyn " is true. They make more money now, and are watched each year live and on TV much more than when they were in Brooklyn, N.Y. The strategic move was a good one for them, as it eliminated the competition for fans with the Yankees, and more importantly the strategic geogrraphical move took them to a locale that they believed was poised for huge population growth ( they were correct in this assessment), especially compared with Brooklyn, N.Y. And as it turns out, the Dodgers are not the same... organizationally, they are in much better shape today. Comparing Drum Corps of the 50's at the time of the Dodgers move, with the changes Drum Corps took over the same timeframe, the Dodgers made out WAY better. I'm not sure that Brooklyn, N.Y has any more Drum Corps as a matter of fact. But they are still chock full of youth baseball teams still, despite the fact that their Dodgers left for the West Coast. Edited March 1, 2014 by BRASSO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 The thing with that is partnering with other companies (Netflix, iTunes, whomever) = substantial revenue loss as those companies would want a (fairly large) cut of the profits. Why should that be a goal when currently DCI gets ALL of the profits from their Fan Network service? I think the goal should be for DCI to continue to improve Fan Network's quality live streaming, and forget about spending money trying to deliver their product in more ways. It seems glamorous for DCI to be on Netflix, but the logistics of that are likely nowhere worth it. So forget Netflix and the like and go cable instead. Directing viewers to the website where they can join FanNetwork is the Holy Grail. Sure, DCI needs a sponsor for the TV show, but they keep the revenue from FN at the same time. Improving FN is of little value if more people don't join to watch. It's a big market of band kids - the point is broad distribution not solely the best product to a narrow market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Exactly: that great point is a whole other point of contention entirely! When DCI was on ESPN there seemed to be a LOT of unhappy fans who didn't like the non-show segments, and who REALLY didn't like edited performances. There would be no escaping that if DCI were on TV in any form. Not necessarily true. Four or five shows in an hour leaves plenty of time for advertisers. The key is to find a broadcaster who understands the nature of the product and recognizes that chopping up a show is a negative. That's not a deal-killer. 10 min per show fits the commercial schedule. And even if it can't be escaped, so what? Many here are perfectly comfortable comporting drum corps to the whims of what today's fans want. Presumably, the producers of cable TV shows have a pulse on that heartbeat. DCI has shown an eager willingness to morph into what's popular with band kids today. So, what could a producer demand that they are not willing to do? You comments about ESPN are reflecting the dinos who didn't like the cut shows. Are we sure that kids (the primary target) give a darn about cut shows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seen-it-all Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 (edited) While you have my whole-hearted endorsement on this, Jeff, I would say that it is more a matter of the "human condition" in that it is not applicable only to drum corps fans. From what I've read in many texts (not drum corps texts, but rather In many subjects), it is common to everything from "the Dodgers haven't been the same since they left Brooklyn" to "this country hasn't had a good leader since Lincoln (heck, throw in Washington, Teddy, FDR, or Kennedy). Somehow, it's in our genes. Some, however, have had the good fortune to resist the temptation, knowing that all matters common to mankind are subject to growth and change -- not always for the better, but change nevertheless. Heck...if we were to believe the scientists (and I must, since they are far more informed than I in that subject), even the universe is expanding. If nothing else, MOST are now convinced that the earth isn't flat. And we'll take whatever small solace we can in that. Well said! Bravo! And for those who still seem to be unsure, the point being made isn't specifically about baseball in Brooklyn, or who demonstrated more leadership ability as president. Thank you, HornTeacher, for illustrating that much larger and far more salient point quite well. Edited March 1, 2014 by seen-it-all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 let's be honest.....drum corps fans would ##### no matter what dino's would, of course. But who cares? They're not the target market, as so many here tell us. Dino's should be ignored because, by definition, they are the past and we don't want to go there as an activity. I have that right, don't I? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Ha; isn't that DCP's motto? If not the literal one it's the implied motto My favorite phrase is Mike Boo's - "Come for the crazy theories - stay for the intelligent discussion." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornTeacher Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 (edited) The Dodgers are " not the same since they left Brooklyn " is true. They make more money now, and are watched each year live and on TV much more than when they were in Brooklyn, N.Y. The strategic move was a good one for them, as it eliminated the competition for fans with the Yankees, and more importantly the strategic geogrraphical move took them to a locale that they believed was poised for huge population growth ( they were correct in this assessment), especially compared with Brooklyn, N.Y. And as it turns out, the Dodgers are not the same... organizationally, they are in much better shape today. Comparing Drum Corps of the 50's at the time of the Dodgers move, with the changes Drum Corps took over the same timeframe, the Dodgers made out WAY better. I'm not sure that Brooklyn, N.Y has any more Drum Corps as a matter of fact. But they are still chock full of youth baseball teams still, despite the fact that their Dodgers left for the West Coast. With all due respect, Sir (and I feel that I have always dealt with other posters with respect...well...excepting one from yesterday. specifically toward "alumniof," of which I will gladly accept blame and sanction if necessary)... To state it plainly...you missed the point of my entire posting. I used the Brooklyn/Los Angeles Dodgers simply as an example for the sake of only that...an example. My point was that all things human are subject to change. Does that mean that I agree with them or support the result? OF COURSE NOT!!! (And you can report me for the shouting, if you must). But in the end, change will happen. It will happen when I'm gone and 6 feet under. It will change when you reach the same destination (though I sincerely hope and pray that yours may take place long after mine.) In any case, it will change. Am I personally happy with the current changes confronting DCI corps? Most emphatically, NO. I will gladly pronounce my allegiance as a "Dino" But my basis is merely personal...including the feeling that it simply "doesn't LOOK right." Yep....admission as ignorant. Guilty as charged. Does it make me right?..Hell, no. However, I DON"t want slides (and certainly not as a Cadet next-explored playtoy...even as something of which they can slide down from their towers). As for French Horns...nice instruments. Extremely nice. But...on the field...No. As for sousaphones...well...Sousa's on the phone, and he wants them all home. Bells front is what I feel it is about. And I am willing and knowingly happy being a party of one...BUT... I will most respectfully defer to others as well as to their feelings on the matter. Yes, I am perfectly aware that I have gone extremely off-topic with this diatribe. However, I felt that I must better clarify the feeling of which I expressed earlier. I may be an idiot...again, willingly guilty as charged. But if it is of any matter, I'm a passionate idiot. Please debate with me at your need -- I welcome it. While I may not agree with what you say, I will fight like hell for your right to say it. Edited March 1, 2014 by HornTeacher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 With all due respect, Sir in the end, change will happen. It will happen when I'm gone and 6 feet under. It will change when you reach the same destination (though I sincerely hope and pray that yours may take place long after mine.) We pray for the same thing regarding you and me. I sincerely hope and pray that my future desination takes place long after yours as well. Oh I'm only kidding.. I do understand what your point was above but that I took some poetic license to expand it I know I took your Brooklyn Dodgers comment of " change " beyond the bounds of what you wanted it to be. You're a good poster and I'll defend your right to speak out as loudly as you want on here, as I can't hear a dam thing you're saying on here anyway..( haha!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornTeacher Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 (edited) We pray for the same thing regarding you and me. I sincerely hope and pray that my future desination takes place long after yours as well. Oh I'm only kidding.. I do understand what your point was above but that I took some poetic license to expand it I know I took your Brooklyn Dodgers comment of " change " beyond the bounds of what you wanted it to be. You're a good poster and I'll defend your right to speak out as loudly as you want on here, as I can't hear a dam thing you're saying on here anyway..( haha!) Gotcha, Sir. Edited March 1, 2014 by HornTeacher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie1223 Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 if you're Netflix Corporate decisionmakers in this deal, what do you envision Netflix getting out of any deal with DCI ? Show us how they make some good dough in the deal.... because thats what they'll want to know before cutting any deal with DCI ( over other possible potential money maker partnerships available to them by comparison.) It would force the hand of market research which is desperately needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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